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Not many remember the Concept vehicle before deciding to use the cheap Cavalier. Although cramped it did offer fantastic mileage. Plus it had an open top!!


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Its sorta funny that the 86 would get the title for the worst eldog ...Emblems and cadillac aside the cars are really fasincateing from a mechanical standpoint.

At the time the car was a pretty smart move when GM began its devlopment. GM got caught with its trousers about the ankles in the early 70s dureing the first gas crunch. In the early 80s gas prices were riseing to a point that when adjusted for inflation has only recently been topped. Id imagine GM was trying to get the crystal ball working and gambeled that prices wouldnt fall back down. Chrysler and Ford were stuck with what they had. Chrysler would ride the K car and Ford would wing it on the EFI setup they had but still use pretty large cars. GM had alot of money and devlopment time in the citation and j car. It prolly made good sense to use some of those lensons learned and build a smaller line of Cadillacs and hope that gas prices wouldnt fall back down. Cadillac would have had the market cornered. And with all the money wrapped up in the 4.1 there couldnt have been any turning back without going to a non cadillac engine.

The cars are neat , but by 1986 prices fell , and the car was ready ....the gamble failed ...They could have Swichted Edorado to a 2 door caprice type deal or maybe made it an F body ...Most likely that could have been the only way to keep eldorado current and not loose a ton of money ...

The stuff is desinged and invested into 6-10 years before it hits the showroom floor ...
 

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To me, its not that its small, i wouldn't mind a small eldorado, to me its the fact that GM abandoned almost EVERY stylistic characteristic of the eldorado on the '86 model. Hell, it didn't even have frameless windows...And its supposed to be an eldorado? Hah.

Seems to me like another example of Roger Smith leadership...Good lord I can't believe, even to this day, how much that man dragged down GM. Of course, the 80s were just bad for cars in general, but he just made things worse...
 

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its what happens when bean counters run the show .....its just not as well publicised as it was at gm ....

you should read about what one guy from ford did to the US military !!!!

"you dont need chrome there" HA !!!!
 

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It's good to be back on schedule for once:D. Today (November 15, 2005) we continue on with our discussion of the Eldorado. Last week was about the WORST Eldorado ever; this week will be about (IMHO) quite possibly the best Eldorado design ever (at least the most interesting anyway...)

This weeks topic is...The 1967 Cadillac Eldorado


The 1967 Eldorado was unlike every previous Cadillac not only in that it had front-wheel drive but in style and attitude. Cadillac had never before made a coupe with no accompanying sedan (there wouldn't be a four-door front-drive Caddy until the 1980 Seville), and the '67 Eldorado was also the only coupe that wasn't offered as a convertible. And no Cadillac had ever looked like the hidden-headlight, aggressively modern '67 Eldorado, either. Credit GM designer Bill Mitchell for the truly gorgeous, almost arrogant '67 Eldo.

Beneath its skin, the '67 Eldorado had at least as much in common with the Oldsmobile Toronado as it did with any other Caddy. The Toronado had ushered in front-wheel drive to the General Motors lineup the previous year, and most of that car's structure and drivetrain carried over to the Eldo. Most prominent of the shared pieces was the Turbohydramatic three-speed automatic transaxle, which essentially put the transmission beside the longitudinally mounted engine, with power transmitted by a chain. Also coming over from the Toronado was the A-arm front suspension incorporating long torsion bars instead of coil springs and the solid rear axle with leaf springs.

Obviously, though, the Eldorado needed Cadillac power, and it used the same 340 horsepower 429-cubic-inch V8 as other Caddies with changes in the exhaust manifolds, oil pan and accessory drive system to accommodate the peculiar drivetrain.

Priced at $6,277 (more than any DeVille, but less than a Fleetwood), the '67 Eldorado carried all the luxury equipment of a Fleetwood and, despite its two doors, had room for six passengers. It was instantly the most popular Eldorado ever and sold 17,930 units that first year (only 2,250 '66 Eldorados were sold). It was a bold, confident step forward for Cadillac.

Sweet Jesus, I can't get over those fold-in headlights...:eek: I wish Cadillac still had those...:crying:

(Photo courtesy of General Motors:thumbsup: )
 

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MUCH beatter ....i like this more positive side from you ....yes it had to be one of the at least top 3 eldorados (59 still being number one in my book)
 

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Interesting think about the 86 Eldo was that it was also the basis for the Allante in that the frame and engine were modified and used to make up part of the 1987 to 92 Allante. 1993 Allante was a little different.
 

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I love the '67 Eldo! Saw one on the net a few months ago and absolutly loved it. Like Ben, I really dig the hideaway headlights :)
 

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Ben72227....This thread is a very good idea! This very interesting to read. I think next week you should do a post about the 79-85 Eldorado :)

Isn't that beautifiul?!
 

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I may do one about the '78-'85 Eldo eventually since I'm doing the notable Eldo models right now. Of course, I have one, so I don't want to seem biased...:sneaky:Of course, the '59 has to come first:thumbsup: whenever I get around to it...Do you guys think I should keep doing Eldos for the next few weeks? Or do you think I should switch it up and do and eldo here, a seville there, etc.?:rolleyes:
 

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Yeah, do one on the "King of Cadillacs"....The BROUGHAMS!:yup:
 

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Step right up folks:histeric:. Today is (November 22, 2005) and like I promised, we've switched it up this week. As you all know, Cadillac has always had a CHEAP model, which was denoted by the fact that the name started with the letter "C" - whether it be the Cimmarron, the Catera, the CTS or today's "value" model....

The Calais!

In 1965 Cadillac renamed the entry-level Cadillac Series 62 the Calais, after the French resort town of Calais. It was available in 2 and 4-door hardtop versions as well as the "formal-roof" 4-door sedan, which was a hybrid with frameless, hardtop-like windows, but with a post between them. With the exception of having no convertible, the Calais line mirrored the slightly more expensive and well-equipped Cadillac DeVille series.
The primary differences between the Calais and the deVille lines were trim level and standard equipment. While the deVilles were delivered with such amenities as power windows and 2-way power seats as standard equipment, one still hand-cranked the windows of the standard Calais. These items were, of course, optional at extra cost on the Calais; in later years of the model's run, power windows were made standard on the Calais line, although a power seat was still optional even in the later-year models.
Leather seating areas and vinyl roof trim were available on the DeVilles, but not on the lesser model (although a very nice-grade vinyl and cloth, similar to what was seen on top-line Buick Electras, were available). Another item not available on the Cadillac Calais was Cadillac-exclusive Firemist Paint, an extra-cost metalflake type paint. Both the high-end Buick and Oldsmobile shared the C-Body with Cadillac. Cadillac, always General Motors' technology leader, offered all of their famous optional equipment, such as Twilight Sentinel and GuideMatic headlight dimmer, on the Calais. In 1965, the new Turbo-Hydramatic, standard on the 1964 deVille, but not the lower-priced Series 62, became standard throughout the Cadillac range – even the Calais. The 429 cubic inch (7.0 L) V-8 also remained the standard equipment power.
Pricing of the Cadillac Calais started almost even with $5,000 and the line was only a few hundred dollars more than GMs Buick Electra 225 and Oldsmobile's 98.
Like all other Cadillacs, the Calais received the 472 in³ OHV V8 in 1968. The wheelbase was extended to 130 in in 1971, while the big 500 in³ engine arrived in 1975. 1976 was the last year for the Calais, with the similar DeVille continuing.

Not too shabby I say, not too shabby at all...:sneaky: There's nothing like a cheap Cadillac:histeric::











 

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Nice stories!

Of course I love the '67 Eldo. My 70 shares the same stye and was the last in that body style. The `68 still had the hide-away head lights! I also wish I had that on my 70...

How interesting that Cadillac seemed to have entry models starting with the letter C (Calais, Cimaron, Catera, CTS)...
 
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