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DETROIT - Cadillac today announced pricing for its all-new 2004 CTS-V high-performance luxury sedan. The CTS-V will arrive in dealerships beginning in January priced at $49,995, including destination and delivery.

CTS-V is the first in the new V-Series line of Cadillac luxury performance vehicles and features a 400 horsepower 5.7-liter V8, six-speed manual transmission, large Brembo performance brakes at all four corners, 18-inch wheels and tires, retuned shock absorbers and a host of interior and exterior styling refinements.

Like the original CTS, CTS-V was refined and validated at Germany's famed Nurburgring to meet the expectations of the world's most avid driving enthusiasts.

"V-Series will take Cadillac's performance credibility to an entirely new level," said Jay Spenchian, Cadillac V-Series marketing director. "As the first in a series of high-performance luxury vehicles, CTS-V proves we are serious about winning over a new generation of luxury performance car enthusiasts."
 

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I think it is priced perfectly. I Mean damn its cheaper than a Z06, this is gonna be hot.
 

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peccles said:
It's also $8K less than the BMW 545i with 6 spd man and sport
package.
And A LOT faster, the 5 may offer more interior room, but I dont see how Cadillac doesnt sell every one of these they make. I would definitely buy one, except no auto trans.
 

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And A LOT faster, the 5 may offer more interior room, but I dont see how Cadillac doesnt sell every one of these they make. I would definitely buy one, except no auto trans.
Forgive me Brett, but if you'd want a car like this with an Auto, I think you miss the point of it... ;)

That is a very good price point for this car. Hopefully the dealers won't mark them up too much!

I can't wait for someone to drive the depreciation off mine. :) I'll get one in a couple years. :D
 

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I had an automatic Vette, i dont think i missed the point on that one.

Actually I understand what you are saying, but I need to fill you in on a little quirk I have. Basically im almost seven feet tall and have size 15 feet. So the reality of a stick in a car that size is that I cant manipulate the clutch, there is no room for my left leg to move and no room for me to have both feet in the footwell. So for me it has to be auto.
 

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And A LOT faster, the 5 may offer more interior room, but I dont see how Cadillac doesnt sell every one of these they make. I would definitely buy one, except no auto trans.
It's pretty much a draw on interior room:
5 Ser CTS​
57.3 56.6 Frt Shldr​
57.2 56.2 Rr Shldr​
41.5 42.4 Frt Leg​
36.0 36.2 Rr Leg​
14.0 12.5 Luggage​
190.6 190.1 Length​
113.7 113.2 Wheelbase​
72.7 70.6 Width​
58.0 56.7 Height​
3803 3833 Weight​
25/17 ? (28/19 for Corvette Z06) MPG​

Can't get an auto trans for '04. Not sure if there'll ever be one
because it gets the next gen Corvette 500HP engine in 2/3 years
and that won't have an auto trans.

There might be more CTS-Vs made in '05 since the LS6 engine
won't be used in the next gen Corvette.

Anybody looking a buying a 5 series should at least take a look the
CTS/CTS-V. Much more bang for much less bucks versus the
525i/530i/545i. Once they offer the 6 spd man on the 3.6L
and get the 6 spd auto trans, then BMW even has less to offer
over the CTS.
 

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peccles said:
It's pretty much a draw on interior room:
5 Ser CTS
Fr Shoulder 57.3 56.6
Rr Shoulder 57.2 56.2
Fr Leg 41.5 42.4
Rr Leg 36.0 36.2
Luggage 14.0 12.5
Length 190.6 190.1
Wheel base 113.7 113.2
Width 72.7 70.6
Height 58.0 56.7
Weight 3803 ?
Mpg 25/17 ? (28/19 for Corvette Z06)
One thing I've learned from being my size is that those figures for head room, leg room , etc. really dont mean anything in the real world. You got to really sit in the car. And those figures dont take into account how far back the seat can go. Some go more than others. The car that Ive driven with the most leg room is the E-Class Mercedes, sounds weird but its the ONLY car ive ever driven where my legs can be completely straight. The footwell is VERY deep. The Sclass felt cramped compared to the E, go figure.
 

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Plus I believe your figures are from the old 5, the new one is bigger. Im not taking BMW's side here, just want to clarify why i think interior of 5er will be bigger. Either way, for a normal size person the CTS-V is a ridiculously good deal.
 

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Plus I believe your figures are from the old 5, the new one is bigger. Im not taking BMW's side here, just want to clarify why i think interior of 5er will be bigger. Either way, for a normal size person the CTS-V is a ridiculously good deal.
I got the numbers from the '04 model on Edmunds. For example,
the rear legroom was 34.6 in the '03 5 series.
 

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Cadillac today announced pricing for its all-new 2004 CTS-V high-performance luxury sedan. The CTS-V will arrive in dealerships beginning in January priced at $49,995, including destination and delivery.

CTS-V is the first in the new V-Series line of Cadillac luxury performance vehicles and features a 400 horsepower 5.7-liter V8, six-speed manual transmission, large Brembo performance brakes at all four corners, 18-inch wheels and tires, retuned shock absorbers and a host of interior and exterior styling refinements.

Like the original CTS, CTS-V was refined and validated at Germany's famed Nurburgring to meet the expectations of the world's most avid driving enthusiasts.

"V-Series will take Cadillac's performance credibility to an entirely new level," said Jay Spenchian, Cadillac V-Series marketing director. "As the first in a series of high-performance luxury vehicles, CTS-V proves we are serious about winning over a new generation of luxury performance car enthusiasts."

2004 Cadillac CTS-V standard features:
  • Four-door, rear-wheel drive
  • 5.7-liter overhead valve LS6 V8 with 400 horsepower and 395 lbs.-ft torque
  • 0-60 in 4.6 seconds
  • Tremec T56 Manual Six-Speed Transmission
  • Goodyear Eagle F1 245/45 run-flat tires and 18 by 8.5-inch wheels
  • Large four-piston Brembo brakes with vented rotors
  • Performance-tuned shocks, springs and stabilizer bars
  • Near 50/50 weight distribution
  • Dual chrome oval exhaust tips
  • Distinctive V-Series badging
  • Stabilitrak with four driver-selected modes of operation, including a mode for better track performance
  • Stainless steel mesh grilles, both below and above the bumper provide a unique front appearance and permits free air-flow into the engine compartment
  • All-new aero rocker design that flows into a new, specific rear fascia
  • Tower-to-tower cross car brace has been installed for improved steering response and linearity under high-performance conditions
  • To help reduce under-hood noise, a unique nylon cover, which features the Cadillac wreath and crest and V-Series logo, is fitted over the top of the engine
  • Driver and passenger seats include adjustable lumbar and suede insert material to help maintain driver position in lateral maneuvers
  • Center armrest has been lowered significantly for easier shifting
  • All-new instrument cluster featuring performance-oriented displays
All engineering work for the CTS-V was performed by the GM Performance Division, an in-house center designed to explore potential enthusiast-oriented versions of production models.
CTS-V will be produced at GM's Lansing Grand River assembly center, the award-winning manufacturing site for the CTS, SRX luxury utility and future STS luxury sedan.

Cadillac is a division of General Motors (NYSE: GM). General Motors, the world's largest vehicle manufacturer, designs, builds and markets cars and trucks worldwide, and has been the global automotive sales leader since 1931. Cadillac products for the 2004 model year include CTS sport sedan, CTS-V, SRX luxury utility, Seville, DeVille, XLR luxury roadster, and the most powerful utilities on the planet; Escalade, Escalade EXT and Escalade ESV. More information on Cadillac can be found at media.gm.com/division/cadillac/.

In August, Cadillac had its best sales month since October 1990. CTS had 4,278 deliveries in August, a monthly sales record, up 30 percent from last year and 62 percent calendar year-to-date. Total Escalade sales had its best-ever sales month with 5,616 deliveries, a 7 percent improvement over last year.
 
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