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Ya know... I'm worried about gas prices.. I get this feeling we're going to be seeing rising prices for awhile - and a possibility that they may get REALLY high and stay there. Especially as the rest of the world stops using the dollar and a standard...

So.. There are some pretty good alternatives out there.. The new Hyundai Accent gets a combined 50 miles per gallon (amazing - it's not even a hybrid). The new Elantra gets 40. We all know about the Prius, Volt and Leaf or whatever..

Lexus has the CT 200h that gets over 40 miles per gallon - and that looks to be a pretty luxurious little car (soft surfaces, nice leather, nice instrumentation, etcetera).

What's there for us Cadillac owners? What if you're worried enough about gas prices (amongst everything else) that your next car is going to be a compact or subcompact? And what if you don't want to stop driving a Cadillac? Cadillac has distinct styling that you can't get anywhere else.. Inside and out..

I don't "like" the thoughts of a compact Cadillac - but I think it may be necessary.. Hell, if the sh*t does hit the fan and gas costs $6.00 per gallon or worse - I'd rather have a small Cadillac than a Prius - or even a Volt.

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Isn't that what the ATS is for?
 

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The 3-Series is heavy for a fairly small car.. If the ATS is anything like it, it's not going to get the kind of gas mileage a proper compact or subcompact can get.
 

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Lexus isn't selling any CTs, despite fuel prices. However, in order to cement this segment and get it out of the way, the Evoq concept (I believe that's it) needs to be brought to fruition so that Cadillac has a version of the Volt. Because of the complete failure that was the Cimarron, a straight up Cadillac Cruze is just never going to fly again, despite the niceness of the Verano. They honestly WOULD be better off using the BLS because at least it's based on something not perceived as an entry level college car elsewhere within GM.
 

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Even an entry level Cadillac should have a level of feel and apointments taht sets it apart from the competition. Another parts bin disaster like the Cimarron, or even the Catera, would be a disaster for Cadillac. As in the case of the Catera, even a decent car that is perceived to be a "fake" Cadillac but a decent Pontiac would be detrimental to Cadillac's reclaiming "luxurt car" status!
 

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I don't believe the CT 200h is available yet...

I think the Buick Verano could be a good compact Cadillac with the right interior and exterior styling. As times get tougher here in America, people will disagree with a small Cadillac less and less. Right now, not so much...
 

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Lexus isn't selling any CTs, despite fuel prices. However, in order to cement this segment and get it out of the way, the Evoq concept (I believe that's it) needs to be brought to fruition so that Cadillac has a version of the Volt. Because of the complete failure that was the Cimarron, a straight up Cadillac Cruze is just never going to fly again, despite the niceness of the Verano. They honestly WOULD be better off using the BLS because at least it's based on something not perceived as an entry level college car elsewhere within GM.
Besides the STS and CTS, they're nothing but better rebadges anyway... SRX, Lade, and DTS are all blatant rebadges, albeit of higher priced models...

A decked ?TS that was Verano based, that was say $5K more than a decked Verano would probably sell, if it had the top engine, and unique enough styling...IF gas got bad enough...
 

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Besides the STS and CTS, they're nothing but better rebadges anyway... SRX, Lade, and DTS are all blatant rebadges, albeit of higher priced models...

A decked ?TS that was Verano based, that was say $5K more than a decked Verano would probably sell, if it had the top engine, and unique enough styling...IF gas got bad enough...
The rebadging itself isn't what I was referring to, but the fact that the Cimarron was universally panned by not only everyone in the automotive media, but recently by GM executives themselves (Bob) as a mistake that should never be repeated, and one to learn from. Creating ANOTHER Cadillac copy from the lineage that is essentially the replacement of the replacement of the Cavalier would be fairly rapidly ripped by the automotive media. Yes, I know the Cruze is a fine car and world's better than the Cavalier, but it would be risky to re-use the car that occupies that position within Chevrolet again, as the basis for another Cadillac. Getting away from references to "Cimarron II" would be damn near impossible.

Also, the car I was thinking of at Lexus is the HS-250h Sal (the Prius copy). The two worst selling vehicles right now are the long in the tooth GS, and the HS. My complete lack of knowledge of all the identification numbers and concept names for cars in this market goes to show how little I care about the damn things.
 

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The Cimarron was also a steaming load of crap. If these new cars aren't, a lot of that stigma will go away. And as hypnotized as all these lemmings are w/everything green...it'll probably be a huge hit...
 

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I don;t know but when gas get sthat hi im leaving ohio for sure every winter and going somewhere that i can ride a dirt bike or a moped or somehtig that gets better MPG
 

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The Cimarron was also a steaming load of crap. If these new cars aren't, a lot of that stigma will go away. And as hypnotized as all these lemmings are w/everything green...it'll probably be a huge hit...
That's why I think it would be easier to just sneak the platform in under the Converj concept (thanks billc83). Kill two birds with one stone... Gives Cadillac its proper treehugger cred, and allows them to have that smaller car without it having to be a DIRECT copy of the Cruze, but rather just a loose implementation of the Cruze's platform (which underpins the Volt which the Converj is in turn based on).
 

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I'm fine w/that...
 

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A smaller Cadillac would be competing directly with the 3-Series. Basing it on the Cruze/Volt platform wouldn't be kosher.

The Converj was really a nice looking car, and had similar dimensions to the 3-Series BMW. They should just take the body, plot it on top of a RWD chassis, and instant 3-Series competitor. Imagine this sexy beast, but RWD and with no green pretentions:



If Cadillac wanted to go smaller, they can build that micro-machine with the Lambo doors. Make that FWD - it'll compete against the sales dud 1-Series where FWD/RWD wouldn't be as much of an issue. Imagine this but stretched a bit to make it a four seater:



And you're quite welcome, Playdrv4me.
 

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Good Lord that is ugly!

Compact Cadillac is blasphemy. It brings back memories of Cimarron and Catera. We all know what happened there. I don't think a (Lord forgive me) compact Cadillac will sell.
 

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both those cars make me want to puke. the cadillac smart car is just wrong- in so many ways I cant begin to explain (well I could, but the post would be a page long)
as for the one thats cobalt sized, it would be ok, but it needs to be at least 2 feet longer, more low slung, rwd, have a rock solid 6 cylinder (4's in a caddy would make me puke) and have an actual trunk. hell, might as well scrap that one and start from scratch.
 

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Cadillac does not need a compact car IMO. Throw a diesel in the ATS and let it get 35-40mpg. BMW sells a smaller displacement 3 series diesel in Europe that gets 40mpg+, the one they sell in the US market is the larger displacement performance diesel and only gets 30-35mpg.

People associate Cadillac as a larger car, a car of substance and presence. Slapping the badge on any FWD econocar, no matter how nice, is a slap in the face to the heritage of the brand.
 

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Cadillac does not need a compact car IMO. Throw a diesel in the ATS and let it get 35-40mpg. BMW sells a smaller displacement 3 series diesel in Europe that gets 40mpg+, the one they sell in the US market is the larger displacement performance diesel and only gets 30-35mpg.

People associate Cadillac as a larger car, a car of substance and presence. Slapping the badge on any FWD econocar, no matter how nice, is a slap in the face to the heritage of the brand.
This echoes my thoughts precisely, and the diesel thing ain't a bad idea. In fact, it's not out of the question for GM to just get the same motor from BMW, or any other potential Euro partner.
 
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Ya know... I'm worried about gas prices.. I get this feeling we're going to be seeing rising prices for awhile - and a possibility that they may get REALLY high and stay there. Especially as the rest of the world stops using the dollar and a standard...

So.. There are some pretty good alternatives out there.. The new Hyundai Accent gets a combined 50 miles per gallon (amazing - it's not even a hybrid). The new Elantra gets 40. We all know about the Prius, Volt and Leaf or whatever..

Lexus has the CT 200h that gets over 40 miles per gallon - and that looks to be a pretty luxurious little car (soft surfaces, nice leather, nice instrumentation, etcetera).

What's there for us Cadillac owners? What if you're worried enough about gas prices (amongst everything else) that your next car is going to be a compact or subcompact? And what if you don't want to stop driving a Cadillac? Cadillac has distinct styling that you can't get anywhere else.. Inside and out..

I don't "like" the thoughts of a compact Cadillac - but I think it may be necessary.. Hell, if the sh*t does hit the fan and gas costs $6.00 per gallon or worse - I'd rather have a small Cadillac than a Prius - or even a Volt.

Any thoughts?
Get a used Cimarron. :cool2::duck:
 
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