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Determined that my next Cadillac in the stable will be a '90-'92 5.7L Brougham, I've always had a thing for these early-1980's Sevilles. I have been waiting and waiting for the ideal Diplomat Blue / Black Brougham to come up for sale (one similar to Benzilla's), yet maybe I'm getting anxious and just want to jump on something else in the interim.

Nonetheless, the seller has incorrectly described it as a DeVille in the auction, but it's a Seville (with a continental kit, for which I'm not too keen). Plus, (er "minus") it has the HT-4100; yet I know the 4100 would be fine for shorter drives around town. Otherwise, this Seville keeps calling me! I know I need to hold out for the Brougham. Man alive, what to do?

Hope all had a great time at the Iowa meet. I really regret having missed it, yet I did not have too much faith in the '88 to make it there. (Hopefully next year in a 90-92 5.7L Brougham.)
 

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Ask yourself what you want more. Would you rather come outside in the morning and see a 350 Brougham, or an early 80's Seville? Which would you be more proud to own? Which would you rather look back at in a parking lot?


The Brougham!

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Ask yourself what you want more. Would you rather come outside in the morning and see a 350 Brougham, or an early 80's Seville? Which would you be more proud to own? Which would you rather look back at in a parking lot?


The Brougham!

Brian
I've got to tell you those are, indeed, the right questions I need to be asking myself. Patience is a virtue, and unfortunately impatience is my nature.

Moreover, this Seville would inevitably become the red-headed stepchild of the fleet with that tacky continental kit. (Nothing against red-headed stepchildren.) People seem to really love or hate Sevilles of that era.

At the end of the day, I've got to hold out for the 350 Brougham, but they certainly are scarce in Indianapolis and the surrounding areas-and I've got the itch. At least I can come to the forum and pour over previous posts and look at fellow forum members' pics to hold me over!
 

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If you love Sevilles,get ready to drool. This was my '85 that i "restored" (for lack of a better term) and sold on Ebay for $2850 to guy in England. It was almost perfect. I have a framed 8x10 framed tile of it hanging up above my stove. I miss it so much...

Some of you may remember me posting pics of this car before,these are the better ones i was talking about that i had to get from my dads computer.






























 

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Drool, indeed. You're not making it easy for me to refrain from the Seville purchase; just when I thought I got the bug out of my system, too!

Yours is arguably one of the finest examples of the early 80's Seville. I'm in awe of her lines and exemplary condition. The color captures the style of the era, too. Thanks for the phenomenal pictures - they truly fueled my growing appetite to have a Seville.

You most certainly put a smile on some Brit's face when he went to the shipping port to pick it up. I can understand why you continue to display a framed photo of her, too!
 

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I can't help you're decision any cause I love both cars, but I think you'll have more fun driving the 90-92 Brougham. And in the long run it will be less expensive to maintain sans the 4100 and FWD tranny.
 

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Cadillac_Fan, don't do it man!!! This is one of the ugliest caddys ever made (did u see the back?!?!)

I have a 92 Brougham 5.7L. U wont regret getting one too, trust me. I think they are the best ones made. You said it, patience is a virtue. I searched for 6 months before I found mine.
 

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Drool, indeed. You're not making it easy for me to refrain from the Seville purchase; just when I thought I got the bug out of my system, too!

Yours is arguably one of the finest examples of the early 80's Seville. I'm in awe of her lines and exemplary condition. The color captures the style of the era, too. Thanks for the phenomenal pictures - they truly fueled my growing appetite to have a Seville.

You most certainly put a smile on some Brit's face when he went to the shipping port to pick it up. I can understand why you continue to display a framed photo of her, too!
Thank you. I still talk to the guy every now and then. I want to see it with British tags on it. I'll see if he will take some pics. I loved the car,but she wasnt without her faults. I couldnt afford to keep,but now that i look back,i think i could have done more to keep it.
 

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Of all the Sevilles to get, don't get the tacky pimp special...

In addition to that, have you driven both the 4100 and the 350? Hold out for the Brougham, really. And I do like the Sevilles, but the Brougham you will just enjoy more.

Now, just to counter act jonas up there, enjoy the Diplomat blue pr0n.



 

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Cadillac_Fan, don't do it man!!! This is one of the ugliest caddys ever made (did u see the back?!?!)

I have a 92 Brougham 5.7L. U wont regret getting one too, trust me. I think they are the best ones made. You said it, patience is a virtue. I searched for 6 months before I found mine.
I agree that the "slantback style" is`nt for me either---but to each his own.
There must be a reason they stopped producing that slantstyle back though.It simply looks odd to me.
 

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Allow me to play devil's advocate for a minute, I actually like the sevilles.

Just a bit.

They are very unique and they turn heads, but myself, I've always been a sucker for big, boxy cars. i want a trunk as long as the hood. The sevilles are unique. I wouldn't mind having one as a secondary car.

Oh yeah, and dig this thing...




 

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The slantback style is cool....just like an old Rolls/Bentley, and it's got the distinction of being Bill Mitchell's last design (or the last one he had a hand in). But to be completely honest, unless I could find an 80-81 Seville Elegante with the 368 V8 and in the right color combination, I'd go with the 350 Brougham. Sure, the Seville probably drives smaller and is more responsive, but the 350's smooth torque laden power and unquestionable reliability would make up for that. Plus, the Brougham IMO (and lots of other people's opinions) is one of the greatest looking cars ever. The Seville is a good looking car too, but in a different way.


+1 For Brougham, especially D'Elegance.
 

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4100.... FWD.. NO!

I wouldn't even consider it unless it was a Eldorado with the stainless roof!

Those 4100/FWD cars were Cadillac's low point in life (hence their low resale value), get a 1992 d'Elegance Brougham with the 5.7 liter L05 :thumbsup: Those have already started to appreciate.
 

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"Of all the Sevilles to get, don't get the tacky pimp special...

In addition to that, have you driven both the 4100 and the 350? Hold out for the Brougham, really. And I do like the Sevilles, but the Brougham you will just enjoy more.

Now, just to counter act jonas up there, enjoy the Diplomat blue pics."

What a prize you've got there, Ben. I saw your car show photos in an earlier post and these recent ones have really driven my desire. Have you ever taken your Brougham to a Cadillac dealer service for an oil change? I'd love to see their faces and response when you pulled up. Occasionally, I take my fair-conditioned '88 to the dealer service for an oil change and they always praise the car. I think some of the "old school" techs enjoy working on her, too. I don't want to start a war with other members, but these Cadillacs genuinely turn heads more than the CTS/DTS.

If I could find a '90-'92 350 Brougham d'Elegance with an astroroof and original wire wheels, that would be the dream come true.

No, I have not driven a 4100 - just read a lot of the horror stories. I'd love to get behind the wheel of a 5.7L Brougham, but have yet to experience that privilege. From the roaring echos of "no" to the Seville, it's obvious I've got to wait for what I'm looking for, as I don't need a placeholder which this particular tacky Seville would be-and likely a buyer's remorse situation.
 

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Thanks, I don't take it to a Cadillac dealer for anything, I have an independent mechanic do all of my Caddies, he loves the older cars.

Would you believe I bought it at a dealer in 2005? An old couple had it, and they traded it in for a beige Suburban. The wife had custom ordered it new, and cried when handing over the keys. They got it in Friday, I saw it Sunday, went back in Monday, and a guy who worked there had his brother coming down to look at it. So I asked someone else if I could take it home for a few hours to test it out, so when the guy got there the car would be gone. It worked, and I signed the papers that night...

I took it back there once since then, and the guy is still pissed at me and keeps saying I got a hell of a car.
 

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Wow! Most Cadillac dealers don't keep used inventory that's much more than 5-6 years old from what I've seen around here. Many tell me when they get any 1999 or older, they usually go straight to auction. Yet I can see where the dealer you bought yours from would sell it on the lot and feature it. Yours wasn't the average, run-of-the-mill used Cadillac by any means. Quite a story. I would have wept, too, if I had to hand over the keys to that stunning Brougham.

I wish I could sniff out a reliable garage around here in Indianapolis. Lots of crooks out there. (I suppose that includes dealer service departments, as well!)
 

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Cadillac_Fan, the seller can't even list the vehicle with it's correct name. Is this someone you would trust with your money?

For the record, I myself have owned the HT4100 engine, and I can say without any reservations that you should avoid it when you can just wait for something with a 350. Now, I have never driven a 350, but I have never spoken to any owner of a GM sedan with a 350 who did not love that engine.
I hope this helps you.
_Josiah Flynn
 

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Cadillac_Fan, the seller can't even list the vehicle with it's correct name. Is this someone you would trust with your money?

For the record, I myself have owned the HT4100 engine, and I can say without any reservations that you should avoid it when you can just wait for something with a 350. Now, I have never driven a 350, but I have never spoken to any owner of a GM sedan with a 350 who did not love that engine.
I hope this helps you.
_Josiah Flynn
Excellent point. I did see that the guy even misspelled Cadillac as "Caddillac," failed to represent the proper make of the car, and disclose the hood supports were shot. I noticed your screen name and have to say I highly regard your opinion as a man of the USMC. After all the comments, I'm holding out for a '90-'92 Brougham.

(I wish I had the means to put keys to a new Cadillac in every veteran's hands upon their return from Iraq/Afghanistan.:patriot: )
 

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Excellent point. I did see that the guy even misspelled Cadillac as "Caddillac," failed to represent the proper make of the car, and disclose the hood supports were shot. I noticed your screen name and have to say I highly regard your opinion as a man of the USMC. After all the comments, I'm holding out for a '90-'92 Brougham.

(I wish I had the means to put keys to a new Cadillac in every veteran's hands upon their return from Iraq/Afghanistan.:patriot: )
Thanks for your comments, man. Were you in the Corps yourself? Ironicly, I bought my Deville from an old Army sergeant.Yeah, hold out for that Brougham; you won't be disappointed. And just to motivate you to get a Brougham, just think...Chevy-built 350..perfect for putting these punks in their Civics in their places, is it not? Good luck in finding your Brougham. Have you considered the 93-96 FWBs?
 
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