Welcome to the forums!

 

Welcome to the Cadillac Forums. Just call BJes and let them explain.

 

Who's BJes? How do I contact them?

 

I think BJ is Barrett Jackson.

Don't the first 250 BW have the number on the steering wheel?

Maybe the 660 means something, like test car #1, if not the real #1.

 

I think BJ is Barrett Jackson.

Don't the first 250 BW have the number on the steering wheel?

Maybe the 660 means something, like test car #1, if not the real #1.

Here's a picture of the steering wheel...

 

Does it have any of the collector series signature tags (one on the B pillar and one on the driver door sill plate)? Signature tag on the engine cover? The regular collector series cars had 68-xxx for an auto or 61-xxx for a manual on the steering wheel. This might have been a pre-production car. The VIN is not like the other BWs I have seen.

Found it. Here is the breakdown of your car. It's a pre-production vehicle.

https://www.****************/tech-c...lackwing-registry/ct5-v/profile.php?id=6-2022-cadillac-ct5-v-blackwing-number-1

 

Crap. This site won't allow the link. I spelled out "dot" in the .com address below. Substitute the . back in its place to get there. See if that works.

https://www.cadillacvnetdotcom/tech-center/blackwing-registry/ct5-v/profile.php?id=6-2022-cadillac-ct5-v-blackwing-number-1

 

Dude, you're awesome... Thank you. I'll do some research on it. THANK YOU!

 

Here's the window sticker... Thanks man. This clears up a lot. So I wonder if mine is truly the first one of the preproduction line up or if mine is just in that group... It would be cool if it was truly the first one ever...

 

What did you pay @ auction?


Why wouldnt they scrap a pre-production unit? Those are typically unsafe to drive per Cadillac. This might just be the real 001! 😃

 

Pardon my lack of knowledge about this, but what does it matter if #1 or #57

 

VIN 1 cars are more highly sought after in the collector community. They usually would have a substantial premium over a number 57.

 

A #1 will go up in value...

 

So I just bought a blackwing that is Vin #1. But Barrett Jackson claims they sold a white Vin #1.

How do I confirm mine is legit. I bought it from GM direct through Barrett Jackson. It was from the GM driving school.

I really hope it's legit but maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys...
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If you bought this from the GM driving school, does that mean that it has been tracked? If so, was it tracked during the break in period? You might want to check with GM to see if the car has a valid warranty. The ATS Vs that were tracked right after being built were sold without a valid warranty. Can you can even buy a non GM warranty for the vehicle?

 

I have seen corvettes that had voided warranties from the factory but with that said the op’s car has full coverage I just ran it through Gm global and did a vin inquiry. Also here is the the listed Order type on this car- Order Type: 10 - P.E.P./SPL EVENT

 

The white one at Barrett Jackson sold for $265,000 LOLLOLOLOLOLololoolloLLOLOOLLOL ! Well... it was sold for "charity"

Let's hope the red one pans out...

But, OP Aaron, you are a dealer, are you not?

 

It is interesting to me that GM published a retail Monroney window sticker but other feedback (who is the authenticator?) from the registry site says that car is either "EX" (experimental) or "CTF" (captured test fleet) and was a pre-production model. Who/how does this info become authenticated? To me, it's a whisper down the lane premise that would be listed in CarFax as an "manufacturer executive" car.

So, my thought is that it would not have been auctioned through an auction house by GM if it was not a legit re-saleable car which includes conveyance of Title.

 

In for $101k

 

I get it, but it's totally irrational. It's got 4000 miles on it. As a ctf car, it was likely a hot mess quality-wise when it came off the line, especially if it was #1. It was likely wrenched on many times to retrofit various engineering updates. Those miles were probably applied by a couple dozen yahoo's giddy to take a hot lap. For collection purposes these are not characteristics I would prize...... I'd much rather have a virgin example of the actual production version with only my DNA on it.

 

You shouold be able to get a report on warranty repairs. That came with my Z07 Pilot Car 00002

 

So I just bought a blackwing that is Vin #1. But Barrett Jackson claims they sold a white Vin #1.

How do I confirm mine is legit. I bought it from GM direct through Barrett Jackson. It was from the GM driving school.

I really hope it's legit but maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys...
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First of all congrats!! I was in attendance at the Scottsdale BJ auction last year when they auctioned off #001 of the CT4 and CT5 Blackwings (165K and 265K respectively). Correct; the cars on-site were a white CT5VBW and a blue CT4VBW. My reading of the original verbiage about the auction was it gave the winner "the rights to own 001"......I didn't take it as being those specific vehicles since I thought they were pre-production models (I may be wrong). I am pretty certain production had not yet begun yet at the time of that auction. Curious as to the BJ response. I am in no way an expert on any of this stuff. I did secure #030 by going through the Cadillac website lottery process back in February 2021, and my VIN has an, "81", indicating automatic (No regrets - instant shifts at WOT). Not sure what 660 may be. Good luck and enjoy this beast! Glad I am back in a true V. You gotta love this thing. Martino

 

Thank you! Yeah we confirmed with the GM exec that it was pulled from the Heritage collection and it had been decided to sell it. Who knows why. I will put a few thousand miles a year on it and then plan to treat it as a collector car later. I'm super excited about. Hope you are enjoying yours as well!

 

001 is 001 no matter what it has had done to it. Those things are part of it's provenance. It may not be the car desired by everyone, but it's still 001.

 

So I just bought a blackwing that is Vin #1. But Barrett Jackson claims they sold a white Vin #1.

How do I confirm mine is legit. I bought it from GM direct through Barrett Jackson. It was from the GM driving school.

I really hope it's legit but maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys...
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So if im not mistaken technically the #1 car is zero not #1

001 is 001 no matter what it has had done to it. Those things are part of it's provenance. It may not be the car desired by everyone, but it's still 001.

Plus i dont know how it would be number one makes no sense because i know 3 people that purchased BW-V cars last year so sum is wrong

 

So if im not mistaken technically the #1 car is zero not #1



Plus i dont know how it would be number one makes no sense because i know 3 people that purchased BW-V cars last year so sum is wrong

Not sure I follow... Either way the car was built in May and driven for 9,000 miles. So it may or may not have been the 1st... Who knows. But being a #1 plus a pre production unit is pretty rare from what everyone is telling me. And now having offers to buy it immediately tells me they are serious. I plan to keep the car.

 

So I just bought a blackwing that is Vin #1. But Barrett Jackson claims they sold a white Vin #1.

How do I confirm mine is legit. I bought it from GM direct through Barrett Jackson. It was from the GM driving school.

I really hope it's legit but maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys...
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Yo, I’m 100% the first letter/number of the vin means in which country the car was made. 1 is USA.

 

So I just bought a blackwing that is Vin #1. But Barrett Jackson claims they sold a white Vin #1.

How do I confirm mine is legit. I bought it from GM direct through Barrett Jackson. It was from the GM driving school.

I really hope it's legit but maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys...
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I don’t understand how you bought a #1 from GM thru BJ and then BJ is saying they sold a different #1. I’d be going to BJ and having them explain how they sold 2 #1 vins

 

Pre-production and production.

 

So I just bought a blackwing that is Vin #1. But Barrett Jackson claims they sold a white Vin #1.

How do I confirm mine is legit. I bought it from GM direct through Barrett Jackson. It was from the GM driving school.

I really hope it's legit but maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys...
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You buy it with around 9k mikes on it ?

 

yes sir!

 

Pre production is just that. Not production and it would be Non Saleable.
CTF or captured test fleet would be an early production vehicle and would be a saleable vehicle. These vehicles are driven by GM executives and other assigned drivers typically for 5k to 7.5k miles

 

Perhaps that was the wrong label, but this apparently was a saleable car.

 

Pre production is just that. Not production and it would be Non Saleable.
CTF or captured test fleet would be an early production vehicle and would be a saleable vehicle. These vehicles are driven by GM executives and other assigned drivers typically for 5k to 7.5k miles

What’s interesting is the car has a warranty start date of 8/4/21
Built in May 21 and look at the service history dates while it was in Michigan still .

 

So I just bought a blackwing that is Vin #1. But Barrett Jackson claims they sold a white Vin #1.

How do I confirm mine is legit. I bought it from GM direct through Barrett Jackson. It was from the GM driving school.

I really hope it's legit but maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys...
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1 thing I can say about this forum is that the dedication & desire to help other Caddy owners, is unprecedented as it is on the other forums I'm on. All the replies are helpful in their own way & I hope my response doesn't take away from anyone else's. A few mos., back, a long time friend purchased a very limited edition 2021 Silverado that was then sent to an aftermarket customizer in another part of the country. After a very lengthy delay on delivery, it turned out that 1 of the additional accessories that was to have been added, frt view assist camera & monitor, was not installed. Truck ret'd to the original dealer who subsequently sublet it to a local 'customizer', who kept it for another 3 mos., & left the wiring harness and system install 1/2 ass completed. All attempts to locate the allegedly factory installed harness, control unit & sensors, revealed that the sensors were dummy blanks, the control unit was never installed because the OE build sheet specified rear camera assist in gate handle only and there was no harness that would allow for the frt camera to be simply plugged in. Long story short, I searched & found GM Upfitter, which will provide you w/ start to finish build specs on any GM vehicle post 2015, that doesn't have a factory build sheet in it (glove box, under spare tire cover, trunk lid, etc) with it when sold. All you need do is send an email w/ the info you require and the VIN & w/in 24 hrs., you'll receive an email w. the entire history of your vehicle. Mine was a total of 7 pages & it showed every single option code for this build and everything that was added at the aftermarket facility. Hope this helps you & anyone else that ever needs to find info on their 2015 & newer GM vehicle. BTW, there was no charge for their services & we had a 3-4 day exchange to clarify some of the not too clear items.

 

Thank you so much for this info. I would love to have the contact info for the place you are referencing. Thank you so much!

 

I’d be parking and covering that Bad boy! Until you’re 100% sure it’s #1. If it is, never uncover it again! Just mho

 

So I just bought a blackwing that is Vin #1. But Barrett Jackson claims they sold a white Vin #1.

How do I confirm mine is legit. I bought it from GM direct through Barrett Jackson. It was from the GM driving school.

I really hope it's legit but maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?

Thanks guys...
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There are two models of the blackwing Ct5 and CT4 are u sure there was no confusion

 

I'm going to tag along on this one as it may get pretty interesting. I use to purchase material from GM including pre production material. As has been stated before this may have been a special occasion with GM because if what it it but when I was dealing with them none of the pre production vehicles or materials were ever to be sold to the general public. The VINs of these vehicles were never entered in to the national database. I am also a dealer just for S&G I plugged the VIN in my software and everything loads up. This would not happen with a normal pre production vehicle. I am curious to see how all of this shakes out.

 

Wow... that's interesting. I am very curious too. The GM exec was finally contacted through the BJ rep and he is saying that the vehicle is good to go and totally legal. Sadly the BJ rep did not ask about the #1 status... I am going to try to find some contacts at Cadillac and see if I can figure out what this car is...