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Watch out OnStar subscribers!

It was reported tonight in a news story that the FBI used the OnStar system to monitor a potential criminal's conversation as he drove his car around while they were survailling him.

A judge authorized them to use the system for the purpose of eaves dropping.

That seems to tell me that its possible for those OnStar operators to monitor
conversations in your car.

I predict this isn't going to pretty for OnStar in the near future.

I don't have OnStar but am curious, can it be totally disabled by the driver, or is it active all the time?

Not that I'm guilty of anything but I'd figure out a way find and totally disable the built in microphone until I wanted to use it if I had it in any of my vehicles.

..rickko..
PS. The guy pleaded guilty to the charges that were being brought against him, that being conspiring to collude with various San Diego city council members to insure him special privileges related to operating topless places in the city.
 

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Thats disturbing.... I dont know if there is a way to disable onstar...... You could always cut the cord to the antenna....... However, taking off the antenna might be enough....

We have onstar in our GTP...... Thankfully I dont drive it so people dont hear my conversations!!!!
 

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I don't always raise my antenna on my cell phone and it works, supposedly with more radiation microwaves shooting through my pea brain. So I wonder about unscrewing the antenna. What about the aluminium foil trick, but that would look ridiculous! Not to mention the black boxes in ALL GM cars now.
 

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We had a company vehicle with Onstar on it; corporate used the system to track the vehicles location and routes to be shure it wasn't being used for unnessary personal use and that all sceduled stops were being made.

I also read in Popular Mechanics that the system can be used after an accident to dertimine vehicle speed, radio volume, seatbelt useage, blinker position, and ammout of braking force applied. Also if the vehicle is in a high speed pursuit, with a court order Onstar can kill the engine and lock the suspect the the car.

Where does the privacy invasion stop? Ever see the movie Demolition Man or Enemy of the State? How long will it be untill we prove George Orwell right?
 

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We had a company vehicle with Onstar on it; corporate used the system to track the vehicles location and routes to be shure it wasn't being used for unnessary personal use and that all sceduled stops were being made.

I also read in Popular Mechanics that the system can be used after an accident to dertimine vehicle speed, radio volume, seatbelt useage, blinker position, and ammout of braking force applied. Also if the vehicle is in a high speed pursuit, with a court order Onstar can kill the engine and lock the suspect the the car.

Where does the privacy invasion stop? Ever see the movie Demolition Man or Enemy of the State? How long will it be untill we prove George Orwell right?
As far as I heard, it's the black recorder box that stores the info of driving styles, highest speed, etc. Have you heard about Wallmart announcing placing chips in all products so they can trace your location in store, and who knows where else? On the news it was announced that within 10 years we will all have a chip in us for vital medical info, banking without cash, etc. But that's another story we have discussed here before. Hack into that chip and I suppose one could literally "control the world." :rolleyes2
 

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What about cameras at intersections that detect red light racers, runners, and in rare cases failure to use blinkers or yeild right of way. There is so much information gathered about us every day from what we buy to what we sleep on. I'll try not to even get into this new Homeland Security bill and the clauses that allow direct personal intrusion to monitor human "risks"
 

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How about the cameras on the highways that shoot your plates if you are speeding, and you get a ticket in the mail. What if you are passing some yokal and it clicks you. Sometimes, for safety sake, you have to go faster. Come to think of it, maybe in a few years we will have no need for a 300 hp Northstar if we can't speed.......................NAH!

Actually, for red-light runners, I probably don't think I mind that because back in 1984 I was t-boned at 35 mph. She ran a red light, and I have the use of my legs only because I was in a solid tank of a 1970 Plymouth Fury, and she had a 1972 Toyota! I still drove that car another year in highschool!
 

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You had mentioned Wal Mart tracking you throughout the store earlier. I also read that they were beginning to employ a new system with their Wal Mart Cards. The new shopping carts all have a small computer on the handle with a card swipe on it. When you gram a cart you swipe your card and based upon previous purchaces the computer continually displays reccomended products and current deals to you. As you move about the store sensors in the floor track your carts movement and market products in the isle you are near that it think you might like. What is to stop Wal Mart from selling your "preferences" to the company whose products you purchase most?

This is just Wal Marts version of "tracking" you. What sort of technology do you think the government is using on us right now? How long before it becomes cheap enough for bored local law enforcement gets ahold of it; and begins to enchroach upon our lives in a more thorough and scrutinous manner. Seems technology will see man to his greatest acheivement and complete his worst mistake.
 

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I don't really know how the newer onstar systems work, my 97 has it integrated in the cell phone. I have no service and I leave the phone off so it is not a big issue.

The onstar system has to get power from somewhere, so there must be a way to shut it off. It may be a problem if it is highly integrated into the vehicle's other systems. Also, its based off of gps and cellular, so you should be able to disconnect the antennas from the reciever box and make it pretty much useless.
 

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You had mentioned Wal Mart tracking you throughout the store earlier. I also read that they were beginning to employ a new system with their Wal Mart Cards. The new shopping carts all have a small computer on the handle with a card swipe on it. When you gram a cart you swipe your card and based upon previous purchaces the computer continually displays reccomended products and current deals to you. As you move about the store sensors in the floor track your carts movement and market products in the isle you are near that it think you might like. What is to stop Wal Mart from selling your "preferences" to the company whose products you purchase most?

This is just Wal Marts version of "tracking" you. What sort of technology do you think the government is using on us right now? How long before it becomes cheap enough for bored local law enforcement gets ahold of it; and begins to enchroach upon our lives in a more thorough and scrutinous manner. Seems technology will see man to his greatest acheivement and complete his worst mistake.

When computers and technology start to make decisions for us, I say pull the plug, enough is enough. My stepdad will never use all of the technology that is built into his 2003 DTS. I had to set the seats for him. Idon't mind my 1991 that I got off him, it is technical, but not like the new ones. Onstar may have advantages, but dare I say, it has "other" functions you are not supposed to know about.
 

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Slick Black Cadillac said:
We had a company vehicle with Onstar on it; corporate used the system to track the vehicles location and routes to be shure it wasn't being used for unnessary personal use and that all sceduled stops were being made.

I also read in Popular Mechanics that the system can be used after an accident to dertimine vehicle speed, radio volume, seatbelt useage, blinker position, and ammout of braking force applied. Also if the vehicle is in a high speed pursuit, with a court order Onstar can kill the engine and lock the suspect the the car.

Where does the privacy invasion stop? Ever see the movie Demolition Man or Enemy of the State? How long will it be untill we prove George Orwell right?

Seems to me the items in your second paragragh are monitored by the cars computer, not On Star. Those items are monitored as part of traction control and air bag deployment, but are still stored for a period of time. That data has been subpoened by courts in criminal negligence cases. It is scary. I don't think On Star can kill the ignition, but we all know it can lock/unlock doors. bouncer:
 

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Big Brother is watching...
 

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You know, It's kind of funny.....When this site was pretty new I started a thread on this subject and was told by some of the bigmouth know it alls that know who they are that I was " being paranoid " They all thought it was ridiculous that I would think that the system was capable of being turned against them. I find it rather interesting that less than a year later there's a case of the very thing that I was telling them worried me about the system that has come to fruition. I said it then and I'll say it now " If you buy a car with onstar ( On-Spy ) The best thing you can do is disable it A.S.A.P.




For those of you who will inevetably say " If you're not doing anything wrong....What's the problem? " Save it for someone who doesn't believe in the RIGHT to privacy. The government will find a way to use it againt you eventually ( Particularly if it's liberals )
 

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You know, It's kind of funny.....When this site was pretty new I started a thread on this subject and was told by some of the bigmouth know it alls that know who they are that I was " being paranoid " They all thought it was ridiculous that I would think that the system was capable of being turned against them. I find it rather interesting that less than a year later there's a case of the very thing that I was telling them worried me about the system that has come to fruition. I said it then and I'll say it now " If you buy a car with onstar ( On-Spy ) The best thing you can do is disable it A.S.A.P.




For those of you who will inevetably say " If you're not doing anything wrong....What's the problem? " Save it for someone who doesn't believe in the RIGHT to privacy. The government will find a way to use it againt you eventually ( Particularly if it's liberals )
WE HAVE ONSTAR IN OUR 1999 SLS AND 2001 DTS!
WOULD NOT BE WITHOUT IT!
MY TWO CENTS
CHARLIE
 

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Lets keep in mind that Onstar isnt creating any new opportunites for "Big Brother". In this case the feds could have just bugged the car, Onstar only made it easier. My concern is, with this news, will Cadillac finally lose the profitable wise-guy market :)
 

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Don't lose the wiseguy market...remember Gotti's funeral procession?? Maybe no new opertunities from onstar, but new expanded laws, such as the expanded patriot act...some liberals will find a clause in it eventually where they can use onstar against anyone. This type of thing has happened before...funny, wide wording in laws- room for taking the law however you want to take it, right Jim Doyle??
 

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I also heard of OnStar being used in divorce cases for tracking unfaithful spouses.
Now, just wait 'til they use EZPass times to start issuing speeding tickets.
 
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