If you're concerned about cost to operate then you need to be really concerned about cost of ownership. I love my STS and fortunately I have the means to support it. Most people on this forum will tell you that these are far from trouble free cars and not inexpensive to repair. It's not a case of if you'll be shelling out bucks but when.
Huh, from what I heard here and other places the V8 STS is one of the more reliable cars Q_Q . MRC fails a lot? As in, do you mean "it will happen before 150k on majority of cars" by "common? Forum is not very representative sample, if you know what I meanThe fuel economy is definitely a little worse on the AWD. Another big consideration though is not to purchase one with magnetic ride control (if money may be tight). WHEN shocks and struts on MRC vehicles fail you will hate this car. Sift through the threads as this topic has been discussed many times before. There are other common failures such as door handles/related systems, headlamp condensation, periodic tail lamp failures, etc. that are all very costly. Some of these don't necessarily have to be repaired but it will depend on how long a list you will tolerate under the column heading "Things that don't work...".
I'm not focusing that much on fuel, if I was I wouldn't pick the car to begin with since it drinks petrol like nothing no matter the engine or drive distribution. But the V8 drinks (according to the official numbers) just barely less than my current car and what I don't want is to get a car with lower milage than the one I have now.I agree. The STS isn't the best choice on a budget. Fuel cost is only 1 factor, and focusing on that can lead to poor decisions. I'd recommend against the V6. The V8 is nearly bullet-proof and thrives on hard use. The V6 frequently has oil consumption issues (both versions) lacks torque and timing chain replacements are common under 100k miles.
Some of the AWD's lack the '4' anyway. If you must persist & can't look for a front CV joint, get a picture of the RPO label underneath the spare tire cover: MV3 - All Wheel Drive or in later models MX7 - Merchandised Auto Trans, O/D & AWD.
Well, as I understand it, the cars are relatively rare even in US and I just keep getting contradicting statements for just about anything about it. Reliability, comfort, etc... The more I dig into any car, the more it seems like an unreliable heap that explodes after the first 10k.When you have a large number of people from these various groups all reporting similar problems, it may not be scientific but isn't unreasonable to assume that other owners who do not belong to the forum likely have similar experiences. Yes, the community on the forum is a relatively small sampling of all STS owners, given the varied reasons the people join, it's not unreasonable to believe it's a fairly accurate sample group of the overall experience.
Virtually every vehicle has weak points and when you keep hearing about "the same" problem from owner after owner, it seems reasonable that when all of the same model were made with the same part, the scope of the issue goes beyond just the few forum members.
Under 100k? On a 2008 car? Wow, that sounds expensive. So I take it I shouldn't even look at one that has advertised 173,736 km, heh. And then I heard that STS with normal suspension is considerably stiffer. Oh well...As for MRC, both my front struts were replaced by 55,000km and my LR shock at 94,000km. Keep in mind, these values are kilometers. Many others have reported MRC suspension problems also and therefore it's hard for me to believe mine was a "one-off". Many others have also reported how extremely expensive these are to have replaced. In Canada, rear shocks retail at $1,000 each side and front struts are roughly $750 each side (both are parts alone - installation required).
So how much does it cost you a year on average(ish)?I'm not trying to talk you out of buying the car, and if you do, I truly hope it's problem free for you. BUT, don't be shocked or surprised if you see at least some of the commonly reported failures discussed on this forum appear with yours. I love my car, I don't love what it costs to keep on the road. I will guarantee you that mine is also one of the easiest driven STS's out there.
Are those major things (like the mentioned MRC issues) or "only" inconveniences like ... I don't know, "seat memory isn't working" or something...? I mean, 165k miles is quite a lot (my Pajero Sport has 260k km and that is just 5k less than your STS! It's a 2001 car though)Over 165,000 miles on my clock. My "To Do" list seems to get longer almost every day.
Yeah, I heard that the "Impala feel" with XTS is too noticeable...I'm waiting to the "right" used XTS4 VSport Platinum to raise its head so I can pounce on it. Not crazy about the "Global Platform" (read: LaCross, Impala) look, but with a little tuning (Livernois) it'll crank out crazy horses and it has all the goodies I like about my STS.
I notice you have both STS and 2nd gen CTS, is the CTS a lot harsher ride? Like, Cruze-grade stiff?2006 STS4 N* 1SF HUD ACC F55 - 2008 CTS 3.6DI Premium
I have 1 front strut leaking and an air leak somewhere in the rear system, which burnt out the compressor. The outside truck button doesn't work and traced it to the module. Just replaced the starter and intake gaskets a week ago, but NAPA starter is defective and have to do it again tomorrow. Replaced pusher fans and A/C condenser, replaced cam cover gaskets, replaced burnt out peanut lights with LEDs, on 3rd battery in 4 1/2 years, replaced door micro switches, replaced all spark plugs and ignition coils, I've done the brakes 2 times and now the oil leaks have started. There's more but I think you get it. But your experience may differ, hopefully. I love my Caddy's but I have to cut my losses on this one. Nothing lasts forever.Are those major things (like the mentioned MRC issues) or "only" inconveniences like ... I don't know, "seat memory isn't working" or something...? I mean, 165k miles is quite a lot (my Pajero Sport has 260k km and that is just 5k less than your STS! It's a 2001 car though)
I notice you have both STS and 2nd gen CTS, is the CTS a lot harsher ride? Like, Cruze-grade stiff?
I plan on driving one this weekend and I'll see then. What's weird to me is the transverse mounted engine with AWD!Thats putting it mildly ... However I'd hope that the XTS4 V-Sport loses some of that Impala.