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Well as the availability of a full size aka CT6 vehicle is coming to an end, I started contemplating. Have you ever stopped to wonder what happened to there being ashtrays in our vehicles It disappeared due to the makers of the vehicles we drive thinking that smoking is not good for people's health. So "to encourage" their customers not to smoke, ashtrays went the way of the window crank. Are we again being Led? I think so. Big powerful cars are a danger to Humanity or so some groups are thinking in our society. They big vehicles use ungodly amounts of Fossil Fuels. (SUV's are immune to these thoughts because these same groups use them extensively.) They go fast leading to accidents. So our automakers are leading us again, to some of us that frequent this forum, to our dismay. So I continued to think what has been the benefit of eliminating ashtrays. Now Smokers need to hang their cigarettes out the window to disperse their ashes and when we come to a stoplight, all within close proximity to that smoker now receives the "benefit" of that smoke. We are now required to roll our windows up to protect ourselves. And what about at the end of times for that cigarette. Its disposal is the great out-of-doors. The less offensive outcome is the litter they cause. To a bigger detriment is the disruptive cause of a lit cigarette causing numerous fires along our by-ways. This can result in numerous families being displaced since people are prone to build their house in the beautiful forests as we have seen happen in California. All because Automakers thought they could police us to be better individuals. Even this forum is not immune to alienating us. All the SUV's are shown first. Then the smaller sedans and finally you find the venerable CT6 forum. Ranking us as second class citizens of this forum. I now am starting to wonder what these automakers are starting with their latest social agenda. Thoughts? For instance, to carry the same number passengers comfortably, we need to put an additional vehicle on the road.
 

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Yes. You are being lulled into choosing "c" by systematic elimination of choices 'a' and 'b'. Automakers got tired of being blamed for everything. When they resisted fuel economy standards they were accused of wanting profit over environmental concerns. When they gave us fun cars they were accused of handing fools the gun to shoot themselves. They have now officially said "fuckit" and jumped fully into the deep end of electric cars knowing full well it will move the pollution blame game to someone else. It was easy for them as sedan demand was already down. In an almost too lucky twist, they've been able to continue reaping massive profits off SUVs to stay afloat because everyone is currently in love with the box on wheels and has decided to ignore the obvious inefficiencies. Stopping just short of actual criminal collusion, they figure that when you have no ice choices in the market, you will swallow hard and buy the undersized electric s-box at the exorbitant prices despite the fact that current demand is nearly zero.

The spoilers in all of this are the few rogue makers who have dared say "the emperor had no clothes" and charged ahead with attractive, well priced ice cars despite the popular, nearly fascist march by the dominant players to electric propulsion. Go check out a Genesis. At this point, our only hope as consumers is to shun the old legacy players and embrace the new renegades who dare offer us what we want vs what "they" want. In coming years we will either see all consumer choice eliminated or we will see entirely new players rise up to dominate by actually marketing to consumer preference while the current behemoths cuddle up to government and environmental extremists to submissively wither away.

Tesla might actually be one prototype of the new big names. By eschewing the conventional formula of pathetic electric weenie mobiles and frequently thumbing his nose at both government and media, it appeared Elon's baby might survive it's toddlership. Similarly, the korean conglomerate, despite having introduced itself as the leading purveyor of shamelessly plagiarized styling and horrific quality, now seems to have embraced the consumer as king and stands to be recognized as a dominant force running counter to the mainstream maker's managed decline. Toyota has delivered a Camry that looks mean as a rally car and equipped it with Cadillac beating levels of horsepower while dragging their feet on the lemming like rush to electrify. They may emerge a dominant force once gm and ford finish their Hari-Kari. It will be interesting to watch and see whether the current sales leaders can draw the consumer with them to a miserable future or whether the client will drop his allegiance to a brand in order to obtain the product it actually wants. If anything shocks the consumer out of his current fanatical lust for the SUV, keep an eye out for mass exodus toward the makers who still offer an attractive ice car. It will be major bad news for gm when demand shifts away from full size trucks and suvs..........
Btw, we narrowed our gm choices to the ct6 or a tahoe. Had their been no ct6 left, our $ would be in Germany by now. There was zero chance it was going to be invested in a battery. Next go-round, the Tahoe might not be in consideration, meaning adios my electric-peddling amigos.
 

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I was not bemoaning the fact that ashtrays are not standard or that they are not that they are not available as an after-market item. The fact that they are not part of a car's interior has led to some interesting occurrences due to automakers unilaterally deciding not to include them. personally i liked them as they were a convenient place for change for toll booths. I am wondering now what the unintended affects of not having a CT6 style vehicle will be due to them unilaterally deciding to not making such a style vehicle in the future.
 

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You don't have to go aftermarket for the ashtray. It's available from Cadillac as an extra option. I posted the link above.
 

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No. Manufacturers respond to consumer demand. Less people smoking, "smoker package" optional. Same reason you can't get a CB in a Cadillac anymore ;-)
From what I investigated it wasn't a lack of demand. It was the automakers making a social judgment as to how they wanted their consumers to act.
 

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100% disagree. 50% of Canada's population smoked in 1965, by 2017, it was 15%. Nothing to do with ashtrays that disappeared from cars in the late 90s.
 

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Unfortunately, we have always been led. In the 50's that cars were about what GM told the public they wanted. We in turn chose from what was available. We were conditioned to want chrome and big vehicles. We wanted large convertibles. Then it was power and a segment wanted muscle cars. Later, safety and seat belts were added. Most of these things we did not know we wanted or needed, but with good advertisement we were convinced. That is not to say any of these are bad things. When I had my first car (a 1980 Chevy Citation) it's top speed was supposedly 80 mph. However, our CT6's have a top speed (according to the speedometer) of 160/180 mph. Cars in the late 70's and 80's had their speed limited in order to save fuel. It was not to save lives. This was a hold over from the oil crisis of the 70's where people needed more fuel efficiency. In this case, Americans were buying more fuel efficient Japanese cars (so the market drove that change). Later on increased horsepower came creeping back and is currently here. However, I question who drove that? Was it the automakers who wanted ups to have higher horsepower vehicles or was it the market? The car companies recreated the muscle cars because there was a segment of the population that wanted it. However, did we want it because we were conditioned for it? Now the only things that will be available are the high horsepower trucks and SUV's. However, I don't recall asking for that. I want my truck to be a truck and an SUV to be a family vehicle. But if sports trucks and sports SUV's become the norm and that is all that is available then we will buy them. Similarly, now electric cars are coming into the forefront. Is this because of the global market and what other car companies are telling their consumers they want or is it because the consumers are saying this is what they want. I don't know. So I agree that we are being led, but we still have some say in what we want in the choices that are made available.
 

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This is some grade-A conspiracy.

Consumers don't smoke because now we know it's bad. You were being led when they said it was good for you.

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People buy SUVs because they're convenient. There are plenty of other choices on the market, too. They sell the most, automakers exist to make a profit, so they get a more prolific place on the website (and sites like this one).

YES, people asked for higher horsepower options. Ever driven a bone stock 80s "muscle car" before? It's garbage. They were garbage. The market wanted more, and we got it. And YES, people asked for higher horsepower trucks and SUVs. People wanted to tow more. Campers are bigger and heavier than they were 30 years ago. Trucks are more comfortable and started being used as dual purpose family and work vehicles. They got luxuries. They got heavier. Power increased to allow both adequate towing/performance and features.

The Escalade practically saved Cadillac. Why? The market decided they liked luxury SUVs.

Nothing crazy here.
 

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It seems that the readers of this thread do not understand the theme of the original message in this thread. It is not whether smoking is good or bad. Personally I do not smoke so ashtrays being eliminated really does not affect me. I am looking at UNINTENDED consequences. Did the elimination help to create a litter Problem because now there is no way to dispose of a cigarette butt unless you throw it out the window or you carry a can in your vehicle. It seems to me that people are not doing the latter as I see a great deal of butt on the ground. Further as we have seen in California the tossing of a lit butt into a field has led to several forest fires. The intended consequence of eliminating Ashtrays was to curtail people from smoking. Now I am saying it appears that the manufactures are saying we want the population to start driving smaller "more efficient" cars. OK, the intended consequences may help stem "Global Warming". The results to that are still being analyzed on that. So Now I am asking are there going to be UNINTENDED consequences of this decision by the Automakers? Pure and simple. I am not looking at marketing decisions. Those have according to the Product group at Cadillac been cast in concrete with the Demise of the final large sedan, CT6. So Now I am asking is there any unintended consequences that the Product group did not consider? And these may not be Bad consequences, there may be good ones besides the Global Warming issue. So I am looking for comments that ashtrays are available as aftermarket. I am not looking to the fact that SUV's are more convenient. They may be for some. Maybe not for older consumers that have a hard time climbing up and into the seat.
 

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I understand it fine. I also understand that many smokers are inconsiderate people that throw their trash on the ground. That is actually illegal in many places. I also would be willing to bet that many smokers have ashtrays or smoker's packages in their cars, and they toss their butts anyways.

The first 20 seconds are pretty good:

 

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Fits in any cup holder.

Did you not see my post? I don't care if you can buy an ashtray in the aftermarket that is not where I am going with this thread. It is not about removing ashtrays. IT IS THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of the removal and now I am curious as to whether there will be UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES of the elimination of a full size vehicle from the Cadillac Lineup.
 

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With the elimination of ashtrays, I now see fewer instances of parking spots where an inconsiderate person decided to empty the entire ashtray onto the pavement in one huge pile. They toss out the butts individually, scattered out.
 

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China has the largest smoking population in the world and still has the CT6. Better sales than here, also. I wonder if the smokers package is standard. Bet they don't throw their butts out the window.

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I love the fact that my car has the ashtrays in it thou i would never use them. I've put on 20-30k miles the year the last couple years and smoke like a chimney while doing it. Haven't put a burn in the car and still smells like cadillac interior as when i got it after i put the last one out.

I got one of the cup holder ashtrays as to not burn or damage the ashtrays, melting the plastic, dirtier, etc... Keep the car looking good and not like a pos with burns everywhere.

Like someone else said, good spot to put change and other random stuff, business cards, and what not. Remember when i was little, the back door ones were good for rolled up candy wrappers while on a trip. The additional power outlets are nice too. Think my car has about 5 in it.

I do car interior. Thought my car was awesome being made up to 2011 with them still in the back doors. Was in maybe a 2 year old a6 a little while back and it had them in the back doors. You gotta respect the cars still being made or damn near with them in the back doors. I'm a smoker and not changing, don't litter in or out of the car, won't use the car's ashtrays, but think it's damn cool they still have them. Either way, good spot to put random stuff in, plus keeps something cool from an era that is otherwise gone besides the casinos on the rez. Doesn't new york not even have big sodas or salt shakers, super weak 4 shot clip max for firearms that wouldn't do much for good if actually under attack. Fine to get 2 smaller sodas and ultimately get more, just more hassle and expensive. Stare at a screen all day and not even know what the sun looks like. I've weighed the same 160lbs since highschool. If I'm hungry, the point is to eat something that's actually going to fill me up. Bring on a big knarly barbeque or some alfredo. Pull anywhere from a 8 to 14 hour day and have eaten nothing. By the time i get home, i need some real food. Government wants to tell you what to do with everything, and suppose that's a result of society in general stepping up the notch of being a bunch of prius driving, salad eating, @%$$ies
 

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I’d like to be able to access the tray in mine just for the power outlet but it’s been locked closed for some time now and I’m not brave enough to attempt to remove the surrounding panel to gain access to why it’s locked.
 

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Perhaps after we beat the Corvid-19 pandemic the government will mobilize and tackle the cigarette butt pandemic.
 
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