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An Old Person's Car?

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#1 ·
I am just curious if you feel a Cadillac is an old person's car?

I know most of the younger people cannot afford a Caddy, but if they could, would they purchase a Cadillac?

I see so many comments about this. Personally, I don't feel that way. I think the XTS it is a classy car.

I got my first Cadillac when I was 39. I never felt that it was an old person's car, but what do I know.

Kadee
 
#2 ·
Not old person's at all. Even though, in many reviews online, they still use the comparison "this is not your grandparents Cadillac". Based on my personal sightings, I'd say it looks like there is a good age cross section of Caddy drivers...although the few XTS's I do see around usually seem to have older drivers. That said, there are a lot of younger folk on this forum that have an XTS. IMHO, I think Caddy has done a fairly good job the last few years becoming appealing to the younger set.
 
#4 ·
#5 ·
Well, I am sure I am one of the youngest XTS owners out there since I am only 25.

I was looking for the CTS first since it has much better exterior compared to the XTS but almost everything else is in the favor of the XTS that is why I ended up with it.

I like the way Cadillac designs their vehicles, and People always know from their rear mirror that this is a Cadillac.
 
#6 · (Edited)
I am 32 now, but got my CTS (used) at age 30. I don't think I will ever look back. The style, the power, and the luxury all without the pretentiousness of Audi/BMW.

"First choose Cadillac, then choose the year"

Edit- forgot to mention, we have 2 boys and we were one of the first couples in our group of friends to have children. So many of my friends have dubbed my CTS the "dad-illac".
 
#7 ·
Growing up in NY (mid to late 1950's) I saw more older, conservative people driving Buicks so in my mind that became the old person's car. Cadillacs--especially the Coupe de Villes which had a bit of flash to them--seemed to be driven more by builder/construction worker types and that image as a high end masculine car has stuck with me. (The exception to that would be the early 1960 Fleetwood 60 Specials, which were the rich banker's car. But didn't see many of them around). That image got lost in the 1990's and the newer Caddy's, I think, haven't restored it. The V's with their exterior adornments look more like rice racers to me than Cadillacs, and the CT6, while attractive, has more of a 60 Specials look to it.
 
#9 ·
Depends on your definition of "old". I know a Seville owner who is a DIY gearhead, tracks the car, regularly runs it to over 130 and enjoys an afternoon of rural road twisties................ :sneaky:
 
#10 ·
I just bought a '16 Platinum to replace my '13, and have been talking about it since I ordered it to two 22 year olds in my gym. They were polite, but I could see skeptical. I showed the new one to them last week (after washing, of course! LOL), and it was pronounced "sick" by both of them, quite enviously. (Sick means hot now, in case you don't hang around that age group.) And that was only with an exterior view, and no exposure to all the interior tech. They immediately centered in on the 20" wheels and Brembo brakes. One said, "Caddy has really stepped up their game!" So, I think we are making progress. And the XTS is the more "dowdy" model. They also liked the '15 CTS loaner I had while I waited for the new car to arrive. I live in a BMW/MB saturated area, and you rarely see Cadillacs, so I enjoy having something more unique.
 
#12 ·
I agree Bob Shaw. While the new CT6 looks interesting, I think they ought to hang on to the XTS. The price point between XTS and CT6 would probably keep XTS's selling. But, it would currently seem that their plan is to phase out the XTS since they keep saying it really was only a temporary bridge between CTS and the CT6.
 
#13 · (Edited)
As biased and sentimental toward the XTS as we owners may be, the XTS represents the recent past. It brought a whole new level of interior refinement to Cadillac that is now available across the ATS and CTS lines. It's a capable car, but was caught in some of the negative CUE limelight by being the first car to debut with it. It is aptly described as a "bridge" to Cadillac's future large sedan segment. The CT6 is poised to cross that bridge rendering the XTS obsolete.

The CT6 defines this segment's coming future. There's no reason to have two competing vehicles within the same segment from the same company. The XTS may be a better bargain feature-wise, but Cadillac is ramping its prices up, for better or worse.

GM indicates the XTS will be phased out by 2020; I give it three more years --unless it sells a lot better than the CT6. This should be interesting to watch. . .

CC
 
#14 ·
For me, it all comes down to what you can get for what price. That's where I think the XTS would be a plus over the CT6. Would I like a CT6...sure. Could I afford one...probably. Would I pay that much for one...NO WAY. I guess I use my F-150 as an example since they have multiple versions of it. Would I have liked a Platinum version. Yeah...but not for $70k. I'm perfectly happy with my "nicely equipped" XLT model for $42k. By going with the XLT, I "missed out" on leather interior, sunroof, and console shifter. Like a lot of people, especially being now retired, I don't have an unlimited bank account. So the price point is the big deal for me. That's why I think an XTS still has it's place in the lineup. When I decided to get another Caddy, my absolute top purchase price (that I set myself) was $50k. The first car we were going for was a CTS Lux that they wanted , I think, $52 or $54k for. I'd have taken it for 50 or less...but we never got to that point because we ran across the XTS that I ended up taking home for just over $42k. I was happy. As I recall, my XTS was stickered at $54+k. I've commented before that it's ridiculous that CTS's are going for as much or more than the XTS's are. Of course, the ATS's are still relatively decently priced...I looked at them first. But just too small for what I wanted. Caddy needs to have a broad spectrum of pricing categories and models in order to continue to appeal to all groups...meaning those in different financial categories.
 
#16 · (Edited)
Agreed. This is called value shopping, which is why I only purchase used (CPO) vehicles now. Let someone else work out the bugs and eat the depreciation. I don't mind waiting to buy something nice. Cadillacs generally depreciate to half their value in four years.

When the XLR came out, I knew it would be my next Cadillac. But at $70k, it was obscenely over-priced. Four years later when I found one for $32, I snapped it up, then sold it for half that to subsidize my XTS last summer. By waiting three years for an off-lease, no maintenance history issues, pristine Platinum, I got all the bells and whistles I needed for a lot less than you paid for your new XTS. You would be hard-pressed to tell it isn't a 2015 - there isn't any appreciable difference anyway; all the real improvements came out in 2016. But you got what you wanted and are happy; that's all that really matters.

True, I had to sort through a few dogs before I found the right one for me, but I got a bargain that will keep me satisfied until the second production year a fully-loaded CT6 CPO arrives off-lease and sells for $40k. Between now and then, I'll be content to read their forum posts, and learn the pros and cons of the vehicle, just like I did with the XTS. A belated thank-you to all who schooled me here.

Nice as it may be, the re-sale value of the CT6 will drop like a stone too. Luxury cars are not investments; there's no point in paying more than one needs to get an attractive deal. Even the new car smell can be duplicated.

Early adopters who can't afford new vehicles, lease. They get used to paying $500 on up a month, year after year. There are merits to leasing in certain cases, but having to have the latest and greatest vehicle every two or three years isn't for me. I keep my cars on average seven years and pay them off in three or less. Each car has plenty of newer features. Do I need to charge my phone inductively? Do I need a wi-fi hotspot? I can live without either, but your mileage may vary.

With increased pricing, Cadillac is re-asserting itself as America's premier luxury vehicle, and will lose some customers as the prices continue to creep up. Older customers put off by implementation of newer technology may fall by the wayside too. That's why there are Buicks and Chevys in GM's lineup.

Exclusivity has its price, though it doesn't guarantee a great value.

CC
 
#17 ·
I had an XTS when I took my car in for service ('12 Jag XF).

They apologized for being out of Jags, and had a Q50 Infiniti or an XTS. Didn't want a barge SUV, so I said I'd take the XTS. What a mistake. They car has like NO redeeming qualities. Suspension - old floaty Caddy. Power - well, ummm, not really. Handling - again, not really.

As my girlfriend said - "people actually buy these?" I know, hard to believe that anyone really buys XTS. Really is an old man's car. Nothing whatsoever exceptional about it. Booooorrring. Yuck.

What in the world ever made anyone here buy one of those things. The worst of what Caddy is known for. If you really think this is a good car, then you're truly, truly clueless about what a good car is.
 
#22 · (Edited)
nofun has finally served a useful purpose. . . In almost twelve years here, I've never used the "ignore" function.

He can never utter, mutter, or clutter my screen with another foolish post again!

To use it, click on his screen name, which opens his profile and select, "Add to Ignore List."

Voila! He no longer exists.

It's like having a spray can of Troll-Ex, or an automatic cyber flush handle!



CC
 
#23 ·
I'm only 51 and I don't consider myself old at all, the XTS is one of GM's/Cadillac's sharpest styled cars. Cadillac style has been, and is still is the standard that all others are measured against. There is no mistaking a Caddy for any other make. On the other hand, contemporary Jags have no real "wow" IMO. I seen a Jag XF the other day, and my very first thought was... Man, that's a shiny old Chrysler Concorde, after a closer look, it was a Jag, and I felt sorry for that old guy. I've been a mechanic all my life, and I have worked on, and driven, everything from Rolls Royce to a Geo Metro's in the auto world, and Mercedes to Ivecos in the truck world, This XTS is a car anyone would be proud to own. I love mine, the total owner/driving experience has been enjoyable, and dollar for dollar, you can't find or drive anything better.