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yesterday i had this unusual out of nowhere idea occur to me, why not join the military to get out of the routine im in now, and possibly help pay for school, i jokingly suggested it to a friend, and she laughed it off, but later called back to say it had been on her mind and it seemed like a good idea. the thing is, it had been on my mind too, and the more i thought about it, the more it made sense, i went to the USAF recruiting website and all the stuff looks good, but its biased cause its the usaf RECRUITER website....

heres the deal. im 22 yrs old, i live in an apartment with my older bro and younger bro. i work in insurance fulltime, and tommy hilfiger retail part time. i dont see myself workin in insurance for the rest of my life, the crappy hing is im writing this while at work, i go to turn in an assignment to the boss and she says "do you like the insurance business?" she had company, i had to lie and say "i like it, not love it but i like it"...anyways, the point is, i obviously make more workin here than i do @ tommy hilfiger. but its a fulltimejob and leaves me no time for school. i want to get a degree in graphic design, but all the classes taught for that are during the day, when i have to be @ work, without work i have no money, without money i have no place to stay, no caddy to drive and a bunch of contracts i got into get messed up (phone contract, car, personal loan etc.)
i currently get harrased alot by local law enforcement,town police (both towns),state troopers(not so much) sheriffs department, DEA etc. i get pulled almost everytime im spotted, im being held responsible by association...
my friend suggests that this could give me some time away and get the heat off of me, its not that im doin anything, but its a big drain on my monetary, i get a BS charge, i forget about the court date (i admit thats my fault, but its hard to keep up when you keep gettin BS charges) then they issue a warrant for my arrest and then pull me for another bs reason, run my info and find the warrant, and i go to jail....a couple of weeks ago i spent 4 days in jail before i spent 1300 gettin out. its a bad cycle and itll end up with my license revoked or me in jail

if i were to join the airforce, the only bills that would come with me would be car, insurance and phone, housing and sustenance would be taken care of as well as an allowance for clothing and theres tax free discounted shopping centers on base...

this point isnt for persuasion or disuasion, its more for education. for anyone with experience in the matter, whats the average pay, what are the benefits, what are the downside, what are the prerequisites or qualifications, how are the jobs, etc etc etc... and one of the more important questions, what are the signing bonuses and is education paid for?
 

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Friends can have a big influence on you. When I told mine that a Marine recruiter called, they laughed and said I could never make it. Well, I took it as a challenge or dare if you will and enlisted.

I was in and out of the Marines before you were born so I can't help much as far as current pay goes. And my GI Bill covered a full 4 year degree. Today you have to invest some of your own money for college after the service. When I was in, the world it was a violent place (not much has changed I guess) and we were never in one place long enough to finish a semester. I had to wait until I was out.

There are opportunities to got to school while in the service. Some MOS's require subtantial training. Computing wasn't even in our vocabulary back then. If you take the officer path, they can send you to college provided you commit to X number of years of service when you graduate.

22 is old for a "boot" as we called them. It's much easier to cope with the military atmosphere when you begin as an impressionable teenager. I think of the movie "Stripes". It was a farce, funny but not reality.

If you want to travel and see the world, there's no cheaper way than in the military.

I keep some of my memories on a personal website. It's not very attractive but it helps to share some of my experiences. If you like, go here Tour of duty and check it out. There are some lower pages with pics and text like my part in the evacuation of Vietnam.
 

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There is nothing wrong with wanting to serve your country. I was going in with a buddy of mine.. I got gig'd on being color blind (the colors needed to do most things, I really didn't want to be a paper pusher) After a long talk with the recruiter he convenced me not to go. Because I would not be happy, with the type of job I would get assigned. 9 years later my buddy is still in the AF, he's up for Master Sergeant this year.

With that said if I was not color blind.. I would have been there too. And I wish you good luck if you do go.
 

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i went and spoke to a recruiter during my lunch hour today, the only thing was it was an army recruiter, and im kinda set on airforce, he of course prettied things up for me, and tried to get me to change my mind and enlist in the army, he fed me all kinds of numbers, all of them sounded good, he got me to take a simulation ASVAB test and it told him my projected AFQT score would be a 73,

he didnt go into detail about bonuses, but showed me one guys contract where he signed for 4 yrs, shipped asap and received a bonus of 17000 dollars.

he also said that education would be paid for up to 1600 a semester or somethin like that and that that wouldnt come out of my monthly compensation or pay.

im very family oriented, family means alot to me, and so do friends, if my mom absolutelyt hated the idea, then i wouldnt do it, but i told her jut now and she said it would be a good idea as well.....
 

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My best advice to you if you decide to do it is get everything in writing! It's the recruiter's job to get you to sign up. Don't depend on promises!

BTW, it's an honor to serve in any branch.

Semper Fi !
 

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I was directionless at age 19. I'd abandoned two college scholarships and was working as a roustabout in the oilfields, and was living in a studio apartment on the beach in California. I enlisted in the Air Force at age 20 and spent four years learning a trade and a sense of responsibility/accountability/"adulthood". (Although many years later, I'm still working on elements of that last one...)

I used some of the full ticket GI bill while I was in, but wasn't very focused on school when I was that young. After I left the service I leveraged what I had learned (computers) into progressively better jobs. I eventually finished my BS in computer science (paid by Rockwell) and my MBA (paid by Amgen).

I remember my military service years with fondness and pride. It was an interesting combination of camaraderie and ritualized hierarchical hazing, and it will leave you well prepared to put up with the most serious shit that any future boss/company can throw at you. The wierd combination of being dirt poor but never having to worry about where your next meal is coming from, and being able to fly free to Hawaii for a long weekend and stay at an insanely inexpensive luxury hotel on the best stretch of Waikiki beach (the Hale Koa NCO-sponsored hotel), will give you an interesting sense of freedom.

I'm convinced that if I hadn't enlisted, I'd now be a 48 year old surfer bum.

In a similar vein: I married while in the Air Force and I'm convinced that if I hadn't partnered up with her I'd now be driving a Ferrari and bankrupt.

-- Jerry

For authoritative info on pay (if you want to call it that!), check out http://www.defenselink.mil/militarypay/. Note that some of the allowances you'll receive are tax-free. Also, some of the other available cost-cutting goodies aren't covered on this Web site, e.g. low cost on-base stores for groceries and liquor, and the BX (sort of a lower cost WalMart/Costco).
 

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EcSTSatic said:
My best advice to you if you decide to do it is get everything in writing! It's the recruiter's job to get you to sign up. Don't depend on promises!

BTW, it's an honor to serve in any branch.

Semper Fi !
Oorah, and happy birthday Marines!
 

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Thank you sir. 230 years old next week and still kicking butt around the world!
Ten quotations about U.S. Marines:
(from USMCpress.com)
  • The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines. Lord, how they could fight! [MGen. Frank E. Lowe, US Army; Korea, 26 January 1952]
  • Marines know how to use their bayonets. Army bayonets may as well be paper-weights. [Navy Times; November 1994]
  • Why in hell can't the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the same kind of men; why can't they be like Marines. [Gen. John J. "Black Jack" Pershing, US Army; 12 February 1918]
  • The United States Marine Corps, with it fiercely proud tradition of excellence in combat, its hallowed rituals, and its unbending code of honor, is part of the fabric of American myth. [Thomas E. Ricks; Making the Corps, 1997]
  • The raising of that flag on Suribachi means a Marine Corps for the next five hundred years. [James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy; 23 February 1945 (the flag-raising on Iwo Jima had been immortalized in a photograph by Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal)]
  • I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front, and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world! [Gen. Douglas MacArthur, US Army; Korea, 21 September 1950]
  • We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on? [Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., US Army, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff; during the assault on Grenada, 1983]
  • Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem. [Ronald Reagan, U.S. President; 1985]
  • Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat. [RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995]
  • They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or "we'll blow you away." And then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these really big guns, and they said in Somali, "Igaralli ahow," which means "Excuse me, I didn't mean it, my mistake." [Karen Aquilar, in the U.S. Embassy; Mogadishu, Somalia, 1991]
 

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I came from a military family, my father was a Marine and my grandfather was in the army (WWII Veteran). I talked to a marine and army recruiter in my Senior year of high school, but I ultimately decided against it.

It would've been nice to get a free ride to college, but I didn't need it. I didn't like the idea of having someone yell at me for 18 hours a day, and the pay wasn't as good as I would've expected.

These recruiters have a job to make it sound better than it is, they don't lie, but they do stretch the truth. They can be compared to a credit card, it sounds better than it really is.

22 is a tad old to join the Air Force, but the more power to you if you take that path!
 

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If your joining the military to go to school do NOT join anything but the airforce. As a marine on Okinawa japan i see how great the Airmen have it over us, their quality of living is alot higher then marines, and if you do get stuck on a Marine or even navy base you get paid extra, no joke! As an E-3 i make about 1700 a month, BUT i get extra for being in japan and iam on comrat(i have to pay for food, even at the chow hall so i get an extra 200 a month) Honestly iam glad i joined, but i know i wont do another 4 years. I joined for school(and becuase almost everyone said i couldnt make it through boot camp) and with the job iam doing now...i dont really have that much time to go to school. But i still get that GI bill. Also your 22, that means if you do 4 years you'll be 26 when you get out and you have to start over again basicly. Its like moving out of your parents house again lol. Do your research before you sign anything. Like EcSTSatic said, get it in writting! recruiters will lie to you(mine did). They are salesmen...they are trained to sell you a contract.
 

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well, my point was, if you get it in writting that your getting X amount of money for signing up, when you dont get X money you can fight for it....i've seen that happen.
 

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Hmmm, If I were you I'd go to either the Air Force or the Navy. The marines...heh. As the Navy says, the My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment, or the one I like - Muscles Are Required; Intelligence Not Essential:histeric:

j/k to all you marines out there:thumbsup:

Anyway, if you want to go to college, the navy (and maybe the other branches???) has a program where they will pay for you to go to college (up to $150,000 and the college has to have an ROTC program...this is different from the GI bill, its a newer scholarship) and the only thing is, however long you go to college (i.e. 4 years) is the same time you have to spend as an officer in the Navy...

So you could go to Vanderbilt or MIT, stay in the navy for 4 years, get paid and get all of the benefits (month long paid vacation, free flights to anywhere in the world on military planes, free housing, food, etc.)
. I think that officers make like...$2400 a month starting pay for O1 (i think, last time i check it was something like that...). and remember, most of everything you need (housing, food, etc.) is paid for, so your money just gets used to pay for extras - like cable, cell phone, car, etc...

I'd definately go for the Air Force or Navy - stay away from the Marines, unless you're a hardcore soldier type, stay away from the Army, unless your're a moron who can't get into the better branches, stay away from the Coast Guard, unless you can swim REALLY well and LIKE saving people in Hurricanes. Yep, thats about it. What exactly do you want to do in the Military anyway???
 

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There is always a chance you MAY be killed in action, remember that! This isn't just preparing for college, this is your life that might be cut short.

I don't want to freak you out, but this should be remembered in making your descicion.
 

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good point. also dont think you'll be staying close to home either. I put in to stay on the east coast and i got sent to japan. Basicly be prepared to give up EVERYTHING you have right now. I had to sell my cadillac and put everything in my moms garage. Although thanks to being in japan i can get that new Charger R/T i have on order so it makes it worth it lol. Just think about it and be 110% sure thats what you want to do for the next 4+ years of your life.
 
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