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There is no way that the flagship gets built in China. I'd bet a years pay on that one. Thanks in large part to Donald Trump the whole "made in China" problem is now mainstream. GM would make a fatal mistake I'd they made any Cadillac in China

I know the Chinese are wonderful GM customers but even the Chinese like the true Made in USA appeal of Cadillac. Bring the SRX production to the states and never makes Caddy outside the USA. That goes for XTS too. Analogy, imagine
If Harley-Davidsons top of the line tour bikes were made in China or Mexico ! The loyal Harley riders would storm the factory and hang the CEO by his balls !
 

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Uh, harley does it too...

it just doesn't make sense to make these big heavy expensive machines and then ship them half-way across the globe

big products like these that are sold in china are going to built in china ... get used to it

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and just to be clear - we are talking about the chinese versions of these products

the harleys sold in china will be made in china
the cadillacs sold in china will be made in china (as is happening right now)
 

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RippyPartsDept said:
Uh, harley does it too...

it just doesn't make sense to make these big heavy expensive machines and then ship them half-way across the globe

big products like these that are sold in china are going to built in china ... get used to it

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and just to be clear - we are talking about the chinese versions of these products

the harleys sold in china will be made in china
the cadillacs sold in china will be made in china (as is happening right now)
Your 100% wrong on Harley my friend. 100% of all Harley Davidsons are made in America. That is a fact that you should research prior to responding.

What got our country in the trouble where in ( on the jobs front ) is exactly your comments about outsourcing. Go back and study all these ivy league economist showing how outsourcing American jobs is good for the country. They were dead wrong and now 20 years later look at what it's done to our Nation. We have College graduates fighting for Starbucks jobs at $8.50 per hour !

Instead if being ad drone and embrassing the concept of shipping American jobs overseas you should use your skills ,words influence to fight it. It's our kids future dude and if you want to make the next generation of Chinese families richer move to China !!!
 

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do your own research - harley does not make all their bikes in america

yes, the ones sold in america are made here but the ones sold in other parts of the world (like asia) are made overseas

i'm not trying to make a political statement - just relay facts
 

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do your own research - harley does not make all their bikes in america

yes, the ones sold in america are made here but the ones sold in other parts of the world (like asia) are made overseas

i'm not trying to make a political statement - just relay facts
Mr Rippy. Please dont take offense but your dead wrong!! Harley-Davidson manufactures all of their motorcycles in the USA 100% i own Harley's and have been riding them for over 25 years. I am a life long motorcyclist and I am surprised that you are making such an outrageous claim

Here is the best part. A few years ago Harley executives explored the idea of manufacturing Harley's in Asia and Europe but quickly decided not to as the fact that a Harley is Made in USA is part of the appeal to buyers in foreign nations. Hence, the point I was trying to make with Cadillac. Cadillac shares the same iconic American made statue as Harley and while GM is a global company a Cadillac should be Made in USA. Just like a Harley !!!
 

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http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-04/world/india.bikes_1_india-market-harley-davidsons-haryana

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/american-icon-not-all-american/nFgZ8/

so i remembered wrong ... it was india not china ... harleys don't sell well enough in china to warrant a factory (yet)
Well, read on. They are considering it, it's not official yet. Your article is two years old and as of today no bikes manufactured in India yet. See below. Your point is a good one where a manufacture assembles in a locale to keep cost down. India is such a poor country but one of the largest motorcycle markets in the world. I would rather see Harley build that plant
In the Bronx and export. They are simply shipping the parts to India for assembly. Kinda like BMW South Carolina factory, where most parts come shipped to America from Germany fir assembly.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...jIGQAQ&usg=AFQjCNE4b8dMyHbcaSGYMkO_itQMR5gZvQ
 

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Cadillacs soon to be top of the line "Cadillac of Cadillacs " should contain the following very powerful statement. Domestic component content 100% Engine -Transmission made in USA

GM executives , consider that a challenge. Build this car to be the " All American" fit the world.
 

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Cadillacs soon to be top of the line "Cadillac of Cadillacs " should contain the following very powerful statement. Domestic component content 100% Engine -Transmission made in USA

GM executives , consider that a challenge. Build this car to be the " All American" fit the world.
You know, a wise old man once told me, "Don't be the only one who cares..."

What is it about Post-Bailout GM that suggests making their Cadillacs "All American" a priority of theirs? I've heard too many times on these forums the term "Government Motors", but at the same time, you EXPECT them to be made exclusively in the US? I respect your allegiance to American-built vehicles, but to EXPECT that from a company that's trying to firmly establish itself as a global name? Not realistic at all...
 

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You know, a wise old man once told me, "Don't be the only one who cares..."

What is it about Post-Bailout GM that suggests making their Cadillacs "All American" a priority of theirs? I've heard too many times on these forums the term "Government Motors", but at the same time, you EXPECT them to be made exclusively in the US? I respect your allegiance to American-built vehicles, but to EXPECT that from a company that's trying to firmly establish itself as a global name? Not realistic at all...
Actually, my point was only Cadillac. I understand that GM is a global company and needs to have manufacturing capabilities throughout the world. Actually, GM pioneered it over 70 years ago when they acquired Germany's Opel. Brilliant move back then and amazing that they held onto them.

My point and analogy with Harley is that Cadillac is a "all American " brand and perceived that way world wide. Just like Harley-Davidson They are different then any other car brand in that sense ( minus Corvette). That's a very special thing that GM should embrace ,understand and play into by making sure that Cadillac is always 100% Made in USA. That's what people expect when they buy a Cadillac that's it's American. Imagine buying your first $400,000 Ferarri that says " Made in China". You may not buy it because you expect an Italian sports car to be made in Italy !!

So, my point has nothing to do with post bailouts although I personally believe that all American companies should think America first before building the new offshore plant. That's a different topic.
 

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i believe Vauxhall was GM's first foreign acquisition but Opel wasn't far behind

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I understand your point (re: 100% american) but it is just not realistic. China is Cadillac (and GM's) biggest market - they're going to build the Chinese Cadillacs in China. There's no way around that.

Cadillac has never marketed themselves as an "All American" brand - you're putting that label on them. The XTS is made/assembled in Canada, the SRX is (was?) made in Mexico.

GM and Cadillac don't market themselves on being "All American" because that would be dishonest in the same way that Harley is being dishonest with their claims of being 100% American
just because all the parts are assembled here in the US does not make a Harley 100% American
 

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i believe Vauxhall was GM's first foreign acquisition but Opel wasn't far behind

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I understand your point (re: 100% american) but it is just not realistic. China is Cadillac (and GM's) biggest market - they're going to build the Chinese Cadillacs in China. There's no way around that.

Cadillac has never marketed themselves as an "All American" brand - you're putting that label on them. The XTS is made/assembled in Canada, the SRX is (was?) made in Mexico.

GM and Cadillac don't market themselves on being "All American" because that would be dishonest in the same way that Harley is being dishonest with their claims of being 100% American
just because all the parts are assembled here in the US does not make a Harley 100% American
You make some good points Rippy but then go back to some bad ones. GM had done a masterful job in China and the Chinese have been outstanding customers in return. With all the Buicks and Cadillacs China buys thus is a tricky one but it's only my opinion. Considering the fact that China is booming GM should be investing more domestically adding American jobs to fill the growing demand. Imagine how many high paying jobs could be created here instead of China ? Need I remind you how many American jobs GM shipped offshore decades ago using the same excuse as "its the way business is done". Nothing political but that formula is the reason our "real" unemployment numbers are 14%. And, not fur anything but considering what happened GM should be going the extra mile and keep those jobs in America and help balance the trade balance which if you don't know is in Chinas favor !

Not sure if you actually own a Cadillac Rippy but I know most Cadillac buyers buy a Cadillac with pride "thinking its made in USA". That is a perception of the brand and if you think it's not your wrong. You also continue to be wrong about Harley Davidson. Either your busting my chops or you really are naive. Harley Davidson motorcycles are 100% made in USA. Yes, they have some components that are not but the majority ( engines-frames-sheet metals -tranny) are all Made in USA by Harley.

Like it or not Cadillac has the same type of American Icon stature. GM should be very proud of that as should any Cadillac owner.
 

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i'm not trying to bust your chops about HD ... i'm just trying to inject some reality in the discussion
saying it's 100% Made in the USA (but yes some components are not) does not make sense

i do own a Cadillac and it's country of origin was the last thing on my mind when purchasing it

i can understand the outrage people had about the Olympic team uniforms not being Made in the USA
but that's quite a bit different than an automobile

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am I upset about the employment situation in this country, yes
but forcing a global automotive company to be Made in the USA is not the solution
GM has 200,000 worldwide employees ... bringing them all back to the US wouldn't come close to putting a dent in the situation
and it would probably send the company right back to bankruptcy ... they would never sell another car in China due to the 260% import duty

it's just not going to happen ... a product this large/heavy needs to be built relatively close to where it will be sold and used
(you know, at least on the same continent)

Now if you want to talk about other outsourcing and moving jobs overseas in general (across all industries) has been detrimental to the nation then that's fine with me i'm with you on that. GM's not the problem here though
 

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I agree that GM is not the problem and never said they should close overseas factories and bring jobs back here. What I intended my point was if GM ( or any manufacture ) is building a brand new factory , to rethink that move and build here.

For me when I bought my BMWs I knew I was buying a German car made in Germany. The appeal of Made in Germany was part of my decision as German precision is the best in the world. Had my BMWs been built in South Korea I would not have purchased those models. If I am buying a German car I want it made in Germany. Ditto an American car. If the C7 Corvette was now made in China or Mexico I would not buy one. Maybe I'm old fashion but that's how I look at it.
 

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First off, no North American market car will be made in China - that's not going to happen, trust me

Secondly, these days BMW markets their vehicles on "German Engineering" not Made in Germany
that's because many of their vehicles are no longer Made in Germany
nothing wrong with that if you ask me
I'd rather BMW make their North American vehicles in North America and not ship them across the Atlantic

Thirdly, the ATS is being built in the same Michigan factory the CTS is built in (on the same production line as a matter of fact)
they've added shifts and employees in the last couple months (about 1000 jobs added i think)

i get your point (and i'll agree it's old fashioned) :cool2:
 
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