[Lord Cadillac]

According to insiders, Cadillac’s new flagship model will be built on a standalone rear-drive platform, dubbed Omega, rather than sharing underpinnings with the CTS or upcoming ATS. As we predicted in the past, it will be powered by six- and eight-cylinder engines, and all-wheel drive would be optional. A hybrid version could follow later, a diesel— which would account for the bulk of the vehicle’s sales in Europe—won’t. The new, impressively styled sedan will be launched in 2014 as a 2015 model.

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[Lord Cadillac]

More information on the Cadillac Omega program...

Is it being developed? Yes.
Has it been approved? No.
Where is it being built? Shanghai, China
Will it be a Rolls Royce competitor? No
Will it be a Mercedes-Benz S-Class type competitor? Yes
Will anything set it apart from the S-Class besides design? Yes. Luxury features and appointments are to be more along the lines of a Rolls Royce and/or Maybach - but priced closer to its competition (Lexus LS, BMW 7-Series, etcetera).

 

[cadillac kevin]

china+ cadillac= uuber fail.
If I'm paying $80k+ for a caddy it better not be made in china. I know GM shanghai makes some cool stuff, but the whole "made in china" stigma will haunt the car, especially considering its supposed to be caddy's flagship.

 

[hueterm]

This is idiotic. First, making this in China is fail. But they've never even approached the Lexus LS, not to mention the 7 or S in appointments or capability. So they're going to try to leapfrog those w/a Maybach/Rolls fighter at an "S" price.

There are no words...

 

[Lord Cadillac]

I do realize there are complications with having a Cadillac flagship built in China. Believe me.. But I also feel the Chinese are fully capable of building this car. Unless I'm mistaken, some Chinese automobile manufacturers have been pulling apart Rolls Royce Phantoms, studying them, and building cars very similar. Do a search for "geely excellence". I'm also very impressed with their Buick Park Avenue.. If you haven't seen it, you should take a look. It's old now, but it's quite nice...

 

[jrosevear]

They're not going to build Cadillacs in China for the U.S. market. Won't happen. If they sell it here (not necessarily a sure thing, but likely), bet on the US-market cars being built at Lansing Grand River. GM Shanghai is the engineering lead, not the exclusive manufacturer.

Also bet on GM Styling in the US having a BIG hand in this car's appearance, inside and out.

 

[brothleutner]

And by built in lansing you mean assembled, correct? Built in china still, assembled here. Is GM really going to care about the US market with this car, or do they care about the chinese market? Am I wrong in saying the china SLS was way better appointed than the US STS? My bet, GM is going to gamble that by 2015 we'll all know everything is made in china anyway, and will not care. Will they be correct? Who knows, but they'll make more money over there on this car than over here anyway, so do they really care what we think on this one?

 

[Lord Cadillac]

I'm learning toward built and designed in China; assembled here. But I'm nobody.

 

[jrosevear]

From a customer's perspective, it doesn't matter where in GM's global system it's designed. But I think you guys are just looking for reasons to complain with this "built in China" business. I don't think a US version would be "built in China" any more than a Camaro is "built in Australia" or a US-market Cruze is "built in Korea". They aren't going to ship panels and powertrains to the US from Shanghai when they have a massive supply infrastructure to draw on right here.

 

[Stingroo]

I'm glad somebody said it.

 

[nguyennhatquang]

i never never belive any mechanical part is made in China. If Cadillac is Made In China. The CTS-V couple and DHS will be my last Cadillac V8 or until GM made new lac with RWD and Full size V8 and Made in USA . The Chinese they can do interiol material very well. Because the labor in there is very cheap and they have skilful with women suede the dashboard by leather.
But. That all. Let them do the Interiol job. We will have the Rolls-royces Phantom interiol in less than 90K car

 

[Lord Cadillac]

The Buick Park Avenue and Cadillac SLS are certainly good examples of how good the Chinese are with interiors.. Otherwise, I'm not familiar with other aspects of their vehicles...

 

[Stingroo]

i never never belive any mechanical part is made in China. If Cadillac is Made In China. The CTS-V couple and DHS will be my last Cadillac V8 or until GM made new lac with RWD and Full size V8 and Made in USA . The Chinese they can do interiol material very well. Because the labor in there is very cheap and they have skilful with women suede the dashboard by leather.
But. That all. Let them do the Interiol job. We will have the Rolls-royces Phantom interiol in less than 90K car

Come on, really? Do you own a television set? Probably has electricals that were made in China. A radio? An iPod? A computer?

You want a car fully assembled in America, including all parts, except for the interior for some bizarre reason, and want it to come in at under 90k? Won't happen. At the end of the day, when you're sitting in your car and you turn the key (push the button, or whatever), do you really stop and think "I wonder if this key or button was made in China."

I doubt it. GM is GM no matter where the plant is located. jrosevear hit the nail on the head.

 

[Stingroo]

According to insiders, Cadillac’s new flagship model will be built on a standalone rear-drive platform, dubbed Omega, rather than sharing underpinnings with the CTS or upcoming ATS. As we predicted in the past, it will be powered by six- and eight-cylinder engines, and all-wheel drive would be optional. A hybrid version could follow later, a diesel— which would account for the bulk of the vehicle’s sales in Europe—won’t. The new, impressively styled sedan will be launched in 2014 as a 2015 model.

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Also, Sal: If this is true, what's all that nonsense in the other thread you were trying to convince me of about Cadillac wanting to be like Acura with an all V6 lineup? (And furthermore, why would ANYONE want to emulate Acura anyway? lol).

 

[Lord Cadillac]

That's just a quote from an article - not my own words. The V8 isn't happening... I like the Acura RL and TL, anyway...

 

[nguyennhatquang]

Come on, really? Do you own a television set? Probably has electricals that were made in China. A radio? An iPod? A computer?

You want a car fully assembled in America, including all parts, except for the interior for some bizarre reason, and want it to come in at under 90k? Won't happen. At the end of the day, when you're sitting in your car and you turn the key (push the button, or whatever), do you really stop and think "I wonder if this key or button was made in China."

I doubt it. GM is GM no matter where the plant is located. jrosevear hit the nail on the head.

so that mean the car will less realiable like every stuff made in China. Look at the Television was Made in Japan before. How long does it live compare with the LCD made from China. i opened the Benz. Most of the Part is made in German or made in Japan. more than 90%. i know the labor in Germany doesn't cheaper than USA. So S500 still under 80.000$ and very nice interiol. And in W221 S-class or any other benz. You have a real car. not a C-Class Badge S-class like GM did with Cadillac. A upscale version of Buick or Chevrolet. What do you think if you pay more than 70 or 89k and you have the chassi or the engine of the car (the Heart of the car) is the same as 20 => 25K. So that mean Cadillac is Much more expensive than S-class. i won't pay money for buy the badge.

 

[thebigjimsho]

That's just a quote from an article - not my own words. The V8 isn't happening... I like the Acura RL and TL, anyway...

As does about 215 other people...

 

[Stingroo]

Old thread, but lol Jim, I think your estimate is on the high side.

 

[Rhinelander]

This is idiotic. First, making this in China is fail. But they've never even approached the Lexus LS, not to mention the 7 or S in appointments or capability.

The Lexus LS 460 really is not that special of a car. Cadi can smoke it if they wanted. You do realize a tremendous number of components in a BMW 7 series are from Cadillac/GM. Just to name a few, magnetic ride, magna power steering, direction injection system, a transmission option, and I think the AC/heater system(not sure of that one) and who knows what else. If they can build a world class dominating Corvette they can build a world class full size car. I just dont want it to be priced above $55K there volume will drop to nothing.

 

[EnvoyBu]

I know people are against "made in China", but I'd trust the Chinese to design a luxury car, as they will be a large percentage of the car's sales. America is good and all, but IMHO, it's a great idea to let the Chinese conduct development. Smart move.

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