[JD03Cobra]

If the base model gets 420hp then I would expect the ATS-V to have more!!! Should be interesting.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/18/cadillac-confirms-420-hp-twin-turbo-v6-for-2014-cts-w-videos/

"The 2014 CTS will break cover next week at the New York Auto Show, but Cadillac has released a few details of what we can expect to find under the car's hood. As we saw in some spy shots back in January, the biggest news for the midsize Caddy will be a twin-turbocharged V6 producing a whopping 420 horsepower and 430 pound-feet of torque.

This LF3 engine will be paired to a new eight-speed automatic transmission, which will help balance performance and fuel economy. We still don't know how much the 2014 CTS has grown in terms of size and weight, but General Motors says that new sedan will return 17 miles per gallon in the city and 25 mpg highway with the new engine to go with a 0-60 mile per hour time of 4.6 seconds – that means the new CTS will have the fuel economy close to the current base model sedan and acceleration not too far from the current CTS-V. General Motors also confirmed that this twin-turbo V6 will be available in the 2014 XTS this fall."

 

[rand49er]

Wow, thanks Jason for that bit of intelligence.

Okay, how does this sound?

This TTV6 goes in the CTS (some sport version) and it goes in the new down-size Corvette that's being talked about (a chick car) AND they put the LT1 in the ATS-V.

Sound good?

 

[JD03Cobra]

LT1 would be nice but a 450hp TT V6 would be interesting! Especially with the ATS being so light.

8 speed transmission too.

"General Motors Co. said Monday it will offer a twin-turbo V-6 engine and eight-speed transmission — both firsts for the automaker — in its all-new 2014 Cadillac CTS which will be available this fall.

The new engine can achieve 420 horsepower and 430 foot-pounds of torque, and has been certified as having the highest output in a V-6 engine in General Motors' history, said Richard Bartlett, assistant chief engineer for the engine."



From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130318/AUTO0103/303180404#ixzz2NumNqyMA

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...er-upgrade?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

 

[Avery323]

Huge news for upcoming ATS-V. We were all bitching just last week on here that the TTV6 was rumored to be making 380HP and how horrible/uncompetitive/eetc etc this was. Well well well, look at how Cadillac stuck a stick in that lil balloon. 420hp for CTS. Even if it's the EXACT same motor, 420hp in ATS-V is really competitive, tho I'm thinking GM will bring it to the ATS-V with 430 or 440 just to give it that much more specialness -- think about how they spaced out the HP numbers between ZR1, ZL1 and CTS-V for the 6.2

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Huge news for upcoming ATS-V. We were all bitching just last week on here that the TTV6 was rumored to be making 380HP and how horrible/uncompetitive/eetc etc this was. Well well well, look at how Cadillac stuck a stick in that lil balloon. 420hp for CTS. Even if it's the EXACT same motor, 420hp in ATS-V is really competitive, tho I'm thinking GM will bring it to the ATS-V with 430 or 440 just to give it that much more specialness -- think about how they spaced out the HP numbers between ZR1, ZL1 and CTS-V for the 6.2

 

[rand49er]

Read through all the stuff on GMINSIDENEWS, and the motor is a whole new engine! It's NOT just a 3.6 with two turbos bolted to it. Cast aluminum oil pan, forged crank, huge valves, completely different block, 10.2:1 CR, sodium-filled exhaust valve stems, etc. The distance from the turbo to the intake valves is incredibly short, too, meaning almost NO lag.

Could they also turn up the wick a bit to, say, 450 hp and put that in the ATS-V? Just want to be sure there's some distance between it and its competition.

Sure does stir the ol' blood.

 

[mikesul]

I would think getting more HP would be easy with a stock boost of 12 psi. Tuners delight!!

 

[E365]

Here's the GM press release with tons more info. Can't wait to see this combo in both the CTS & ATS.

http://m.gm.com/newsDetail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2013/Mar/nyas/0318-lf3-engine

 

[rand49er]

Hey, just had a thought. If this motor is also going in the ATS-V, why wasn't that included? I mean, they said the CTS and the XTS. If it was also going in another model (i.e. ATS-V), why wouldn't that have been included, too? Makes me think it might not ... OR ... GM is playing it tight to the vest on this and has another point in time in mind to make the ATS-V announcement with this motor in it. But, why?

 

[E365]

My guess would be they are just not ready to announce anything about an ATS-V yet. I, like others, are just assuming the ATS-V will have this engine based on reports from the auto magazine. They certainly could be wrong though!

 

[rand49er]

My guess would be they are just not ready to announce anything about an ATS-V yet. ...

I agree this is the leading theory, but I'm unsure of their strategy. It's like, if it is going into the ATS-V, when it's announced, everyone is going to yawn. I'm just not sure GM would do that. Gotta be more to it.

 

[JFJr]

I like the performance as long as it doesn't sound like a constipated insect.

Jud

 

[krummel21]

I am impressed by this too, think they did a real good job on it. Not sure what the 0-60 time would be if it was in an ATS but it would have to be much better than that just to compete with the M3. 4.6 seconds is in the 335i range.

 

[Siren05]

2013 m3 0-60 advertised at 4.8

 

[krummel21]

I should have stated I was referencing the 2011 and 2012 M3 based on this website:

http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bimmer-0-60-mph-Times.html

They both show around 4.4 seconds, surprised the 2013 is slower. It shows there the 2011 335i is 4.7. 4.8 would also probably put you over 13 seconds in the quarter, seems pretty slow for a performance based car.

These results are based on different magazines so this may also be why the numbers are different.

 

[isakhanyan]

The only sad part is the 8 speed automatic, I was really hoping they would come out with a manual transmission for the ATS-V as well. I still have hope but it is not looking to good.
For the people who want a manual this sucks.

 

[rand49er]

The only sad part is the 8 speed automatic, I was really hoping they would come out with a manual transmission for the ATS-V as well. I still have hope but it is not looking to good.
For the people who want a manual this sucks.

This is NOT the ATS-V.

This entire announcement is about a motor that will be offered in the CTS and the XTS.

The ATS-V is still vaporware, ATs and MTs alike.

 

[jsiddall]

Still.... GM says the new CTS will do a "0-60 mile per hour time of 4.6 seconds" and the ATS should be faster than that with the same engine. An ATS-V would almost certainly have a higher output engine than the base CTS.

 

[bruff1977]

'think about how they spaced out the HP numbers between ZR1, ZL1 and CTS-V for the 6.2'

I am astounded like everyone else with these numbers... But you do realize that the TTV6, even though it sounds really potent and capable, is not considered a performance engine. If anything the LF3 will be in the CTS and XTS AWD Platinum trims. Those three cars you mentioned are the top of the line for their models. This is my logic for the Alpha chassis performance cars and the vehicle from Bowling Green:

ATS-V: Tuned LT1.
CTS-V3/ZL1-2: F/I LT1 with modest boost/tune.
ZR1-2: F/I LT1 with agressive boost/tune

 

[jsiddall]

It would be great to see an LT1 V8 in the ATS-V (think about the tuning headroom of that) but I for one would be surprised it if happened. I, like others, expect a higher output TT V6 making similar power to the LT1.

 

[isakhanyan]

This is NOT the ATS-V.

This entire announcement is about a motor that will be offered in the CTS and the XTS.

The ATS-V is still vaporware, ATs and MTs alike.

I know it is for the cts. I have just been reading rumors that the ats-v will only be offered in automatic.