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Has anyone heard of a recall due to the timing chain on 2008 CTS?

Im picking one up on saturday that is having the timing chain replaced, the GM dealer said the recall went out on monday.
 

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Haven't heard about that yet. Several people on this site have experienced this problem
 

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I had my '08 in the shop yesterday, and they mentioned the recall. I had not heard of this recall before going in. Here is what the service order says:
C 10287 Premature timing chain wear - Reprogram engine control module
Cause: recall
Completed recall 10287, programmed ECM
 

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Very interesting news, ExtinctBird, thanks for sharing. I Googled based on your results and found a copy of the full bulletin on EnclaveForum.net at this link: http://www.enclaveforum.net/index.php?topic=7662.0 . Sounds like another "quiet recall" issued by GM as it is not appear to be a safety issue or mandated by the government. They had one for the ignition cylinder a few weeks back.
 

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so by trying to help or gain information I get bitched at for not searching? Thank you ExtinctBird & somedaycts, I pick up my "new to me" 2008 CTS tomorrow and look forwarding to learning more and making new friends.
 

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You're welcome, and let us know how you like the new car!

I would ignore snofun3's comment, it's completely baseless. There is absolutely NOTHING in the 08+ CTS forum regarding this brand new recall. There's something in the SRX forum, but it doesn't mention anything about the CTS and I certainly wouldn't expect the average person to know certain model SRX's use the same engine as the CTS. I'm hoping to buy a "new to me" CTS by summer, and this has been one area of concern in looking for one. Thanks again for posting this :thumbsup:.
 

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This is a very interesting development. I had my timing chains replaced a couple of months ago. But the delaer did not mention recall and the work order only listed timing chains and guides if I am not mistaken.

Just wonder what the reporgraming accomplishes and how does it affect the engine performance.
 

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It would appear from the link that this service bulletin is to reduce the replacement of timing chains that cause the engine light to come on by changing the parameters it takes to set off the check engine light and tell us to change the engine oil more often. ????? Seems like a way to reduce warranty costs for GM by not replacing the timing chains unless they break!
 

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It would appear from the link that this service bulletin is to reduce the replacement of timing chains that cause the engine light to come on by changing the parameters it takes to set off the check engine light and tell us to change the engine oil more often. ????? Seems like a way to reduce warranty costs for GM by not replacing the timing chains unless they break!
This could be a quite reasonable and proper solution. To my knowledge, no one experiencing the problem to date has actually had a timing chain break. If the sensor/ecm tolerance is so tight that even normal stretching over time causes an engine code to throw (and subsequent "safe mode" initiation or other incorrect compensation actions by the ecm) regardless of actual mechanical impact on engine operation, then adjusting the parameters to reflect normal operation over time is the right thing to do.

I should hope GM is trying to reduce warranty costs across the board. It means they are paying attention to manufacturing processes, engineering and design issues, improving their products and looking to reduce costs for both GM and the consumer.
 

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I understand your comments OneLapCoastie and hope that is indeed the case. Don't want to see people getting stranded if the chains do break down the road, no pun intended. GM should try to reduce warranty costs by improving their products. What they shouldn't do is reduce warranty costs by changing the acceptable parameters of the operations. And why would oil change levels have to be increased due to "normal" stretching? Wouldn't the engineers have figured that into the original equations and testing? I am by no means an engineer so I may be speaking incorrectly and if so, I am sorry.
 

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This could be a quite reasonable and proper solution. To my knowledge, no one experiencing the problem to date has actually had a timing chain break. If the sensor/ecm tolerance is so tight that even normal stretching over time causes an engine code to throw (and subsequent "safe mode" initiation or other incorrect compensation actions by the ecm) regardless of actual mechanical impact on engine operation, then adjusting the parameters to reflect normal operation over time is the right thing to do.

I should hope GM is trying to reduce warranty costs across the board. It means they are paying attention to manufacturing processes, engineering and design issues, improving their products and looking to reduce costs for both GM and the consumer.
Sorry but it seems to me as a cover up. As caddad08 said - you want to reduce cost - improve quality (engineering, manufacturing, design..). In this case unless somebody from GM can explain the details to the contrary I see it as a cover up. The secong generation CTS seems to suffer from at least there issues - vibrating steering wheels, drive shaft "drone" and timing chains. In all cases GM was quiet. I do not believe they found real solution for any of the issues. The TSB's issued were really making the issues "acceptable". I have no respect to GM. They need to learn to respect their customers.

"Customer satisfaction campain" - what an idiot in GM came up with this term? This is simply slap in the face of customers. Do they really think we are so stupid? I think they do.....
 

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Sorry but it seems to me as a cover up. As caddad08 said - you want to reduce cost - improve quality (engineering, manufacturing, design..). In this case unless somebody from GM can explain the details to the contrary I see it as a cover up. The secong generation CTS seems to suffer from at least there issues - vibrating steering wheels, drive shaft "drone" and timing chains. In all cases GM was quiet. I do not believe they found real solution for any of the issues. The TSB's issued were really making the issues "acceptable". I have no respect to GM. They need to learn to respect their customers.

"Customer satisfaction campain" - what an idiot in GM came up with this term? This is simply slap in the face of customers. Do they really think we are so stupid? I think they do.....

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From the wording of the recall, this casts serious doubt to the reliability of the oil life monitoring system (at least before the recall is performed, but I doubt I'd trust it after anyway)...
 

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From the wording of the recall, this casts serious doubt to the reliability of the oil life monitoring system (at least before the recall is performed, but I doubt I'd trust it after anyway)...
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I would go one step farther - I do not trust GM anymore. Period. There is just too many issues that are being covered up. As I said before "customer satisfaction campaign" - who could come up with name like this? Only people who think we are idiots. For me it is the last nail to the coffin. It is bye bye GM. I simply do not have time or desire to put up with all this bs...
 

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As good as synthetic oils are nowadays, it seems that extended drain intervals should be the norm. My previous vehicle I used full synthetic instead of dino-oil and would run through the oil life monitor twice before changing. I just changed the filter and added enough to top it off at the first reset. After 3 years and 40K miles with no problems on a non-di 3.6 GM engine in my Pontiac I turned it in when my lease expired. The oil still looked like new when being changed and i normally went about 13K miles between changes. Can't really understand thew benefits of shortening oil change intervals on a car that requires synthetic oils.
 

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I would venture to guess that GM examined many of the timing chains replaced and discovered they were still serviceable but due to the ECM parameters it called for a CEL when in reality one was not necessary. Correcting the parameters and calling for more frequent oil changes should extend the useful life of the timing chains. If my memory serves me right, I don't recall anyone on our forum reporting an actual broken timing chain, just replacements due to the CEL warning.
The "Customer satisfaction campaign" has been around for ever. It most frequently applies to items done to satisfy a customer that may not necessarily fight under a specific warranty repair. I had a shifter replaced on an earlier CTS under this program. I wasn't happy with the one I had, the dealer knew something wasn't right but couldn't isolate the problem to justify a replacement. Due to the number of cars I purchased there, they replaced it under the heading of Customer satisfaction program and listed the part and labor.
I think it also applies to any non-safety related recall.
Whatever it is called at least GM is doing something, even if their bottom line forced them into it.
 
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