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Hello everyone, I got a lot of technical help on my last post, more than I expected. So I’m back with a new issue. My 2008 CTS DI has started overheating bad.

I already performed a combustion leak detection test, and the results were negative for exhaust gas. The cooling system is also holding pressure during with a radiator pressure test. The auxiliary water pump is definitely working, those little hoses have good pressure in them. When it’s running, either cold or at temp, I can squeeze the radiator hoses all the way shut bare handed. I already replaced the thermostat, that was a bitch and a half. It’ll idle for about 15-20 minutes before the temp needle creeps up above the 220 line, but it’s gotta be a dummy guage, because my scanner shows about 260 degrees before the needle moves above 220. I ran an actuation test on the instrument cluster, and all gauges are fully operational. I can drive for about 5 minutes after letting it cool down to “operating temp” on the dash before it shoots back up, fast. And since I’ve been using water, it just boils out of the system by then. I shot compressed air through the block water jackets, the coolant pipes, and the radiator. Less noise through the radiator than through the other plumbing. Fans are operational, I toggled them with the scanner. It seems to me that the water is just sitting stagnant until it boils out. Also noticed my STFT on both banks are -20 to -25% at idle. When I gas it at idle, it starts to push a lot of water out of the expansion tank with the cap off. I HATE throwing parts at cars, but I have a water pump on the way.

I’m wondering if there’s any way to test the water pump before I replace it. Any other tests or checks I can do to narrow it down would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, folks.
 

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only a minor but inexpensive check...have you replaced the radiator cap???...I thought I saw on this Forum some time back that our caps tend to go over time...I doubt that's the cause of your issue but a cap test or new cap is inexpensive enough...

good luck with your car

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Are you certain there's no air in the cooling system?
 
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only a minor but inexpensive check...have you replaced the radiator cap???...I thought I saw on this Forum some time back that our caps tend to go over time...I doubt that's the cause of your issue but a cap test or new cap is inexpensive enough...

good luck with your car

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Ive monitored the operation of the cap and it lets off pressure when it builds up, but it probably wouldn’t hurt to get a new one.
 

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Coolant Fill Procedure
  1. Close the radiator drain.
  2. Slowly add a mixture of 50/50 DEX-COOL antifreeze and clean drinkable water to the cooling system through the top of the surge tank opening.
  3. Slowly fill the system until the coolant stabilizes at 25 mm (1 inch) above the FULL COLD mark on the surge tank.
  4. Install the surge tank cap.
  5. Start the engine.
  6. Run the engine at 2,000-2,500 RPM until the engine reaches normal operating temperature.
  7. Allow the engine to idle for 3 minutes.
  8. Shut the engine OFF.
  9. Allow the engine to cool.
  10. Add or remove coolant as necessary from the surge tank until the level is stabilized at the FULL COLD mark.
  11. Inspect the cooling system for leaks.
  12. Check the concentration of the engine coolant.
 

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I can drive for about 5 minutes after letting it cool down to “operating temp” on the dash before it shoots back up, fast. And since I’ve been using water, it just boils out of the system by then.
Also noticed my STFT on both banks are -20 to -25% at idle.
How long have you been using water in the coolant system and is there any rust in it? Are you sure the radiator is not partially clogged? The auxiliary water pump only runs after engine shut down and probably works to the advantage of the 08-09 that has it in defeating the possibility of air pockets to linger. I've never had to do more than refill the system to achieve normal function.

The gauges from my understanding are not directly linked to sensors. The sensors plug into the engine computer, the engine computer communicates with the Body Control Module (BCM) via CANBUS and the BCM tells the gauges what to display.

Water boiling out of the system relatively fast suggests the possibility of an external head gasket leak which would likely not be detected by coolant and exhaust system coolant leak tests.

What codes are present. The long term fuel trims are at the extreme end and suggest an engine with a severe efficiency problem, possibly mechanical, or electrical; sensor, injectors.

How many miles on the motor?
 

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When refilling, if you can get access to one, use an Airlift. Makes it easier to remove the air in the system.
 
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