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Most recent Road and Track has a pic of the next generation Seville. Styling befits a Seville but I was disappointed to read that the "entry" level Seville will sport a V-6!!!!!!??????? The Cadillac Flagship with a V-6! As much as I favor front wheel drive (winter climate) the switch over to rear wheel doesn't bother me but the V-6 has me smoking!!! If you want a six buy a CTS!
 

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Most recent Road and Track has a pic of the next generation Seville. Styling befits a Seville but I was disappointed to read that the "entry" level Seville will sport a V-6!!!!!!??????? The Cadillac Flagship with a V-6! As much as I favor front wheel drive (winter climate) the switch over to rear wheel doesn't bother me but the V-6 has me smoking!!!
Hey Joe - Welcome to the CadillacForums! The new STS (won't be called a Seville) looks to be pretty interesting. I think Cadillac is trying to compete with the Europeans by offering the newer models with multiple engine choices. The new V6 is actually supposed to be a very nice engine, already tested at over 400 horsepower with forced induction. With the naturally aspirated version, the hope is to have a lower priced example with better fuel economy for those who don't need big power - believe it or not they're out there. There will also be a GenII Northstar version with 320 horsepower, and supposedly an STS-V with significantly more power than that (either a supercharged GenII Northstar V8 or a Northstar V12).
If you want a six buy a CTS!
Well, the new STS will basically be a grown up CTS - it's the same Sigma platform stretched about 3 inches. It's really not unreasonable to have the base model sport a high output V6, as long as there are more powerful options. The CTS -V has a lot of enhancements over the CTS to handle the extra power of the LS6 V8, and the STS-V would utilize those same enhancements. I don't believe the performance of the new STS will be a disappointment...we'll see...

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Article quotes around 240 plus HP for the new entry level V-6 "Seville". I was looking at the Seville as the "Flagship"; repeat "Flagship" of the Cadillac line!!! The Audi A8 (Is not a V-6!!!), the 700 Series Bimmers don't have V-6's!!!, (some have V-12's!!!), the Seville Mercedes Benz counterparts don't have V-6's!!!, etc. My point, if you want a V-6, start with a hotrod CTS. If you can afford a Seville, you want a V-8!!!. I'm 60 years old. I used to drag race at a local route 1 pre-determined 1/4 mile track (I am not a grandfather who wants a vintage Cadillac "Boat"). We are the generation who wants some "Hot Caddies". Personally I am a Seville fan, and a V-6 in the flagship car is an abomination. Caddy needs to talk to us. We are loosing market share to the Euro's. THIS IS THE REASON!!!! DO YOU THINK ANYONE WHO CAN AFFORD TO PUT DOWN $60 PLUS K FOR A LUXURY VEHICLE, WANTS A V-6!!!!
 

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Article quotes around 240 plus HP for the new entry level V-6 "Seville". I was looking at the Seville as the "Flagship"; repeat "Flagship" of the Cadillac line!!! The Audi A8 (Is not a V-6!!!), the 700 Series Bimmers don't have V-6's!!!, (some have V-12's!!!), the Seville Mercedes Benz counterparts don't have V-6's!!!, etc. My point, if you want a V-6, start with a hotrod CTS. If you can afford a Seville, you want a V-8!!!. I'm 60 years old. I used to drag race at a local route 1 pre-determined 1/4 mile track (I am not a grandfather who wants a vintage Cadillac "Boat"). We are the generation who wants some "Hot Caddies". Personally I am a Seville fan, and a V-6 in the flagship car is an abomination. Caddy needs to talk to us. We are loosing market share to the Euro's. THIS IS THE REASON!!!! DO YOU THINK ANYONE WHO CAN AFFORD TO PUT DOWN $60 PLUS K FOR A LUXURY VEHICLE, WANTS A V-6!!!!

i COMPLETELY agree with you. cadillac's flagship car shouldnt have a dinky little V6. it is their flagship car, and should represent waht cadillac is all about; luxury cars with big engines and all options standard.
environmentalists that want fuel economy. they can go buy hybrods.

btw, im 18yrs old and i love anyhting with a nice big v8 screaming to get out of the way. moost of my crazy friends drive 4 banger hondas and those retards actually htink honda is a better name than cadillac. even my catera (which is one of the worst caddies) is better than all of their hondas.


does anyone have any info/speculation on the STS-V????
 

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Models- V6 RWD, V8 RWD, V8 AWD

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Aluminum Trim Package, premium aluminum trim, includes center stack and console

Cruise control, adaptive, sophisticated radar transceiver automatically adjusts speed to maintain preset following distance, includes telltale in head-up in reconfigurable head-up display

Head-Up Display, reconfigurable, includes digital readouts for vehicle speed, selected gear, adaptive cruise indicator, radio information, high-beam indicator, fuel level, six languages available (English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Spanish)

Keyless Access, includes keyless ignition which is engaged with push button start, and 2 remote transmitters which enable passive entry on both front doors and trunk, and remote start capability

Steering wheel, mounted controls, includes controls for sound system, HVAC system, voice recognition and Adaptive Cruise Control (if equipped)

Wood Trim Package, includes real eucalyptus wood on steering wheel, shifter knob, center stack and console, IP spear molding and door pulls

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ETR AM/FM Bose 4.0 with CD player, includes Radio Data System and 8 speakers

ETR AM/FM Bose 4.0 with in-dash 6 disc CD changer, includes Radio Data System and 8 speakers

ETR AM/FM Studio Surround Sound Bose 5.1 with in-dash 6 disc DVD changer, includes Radio Data System, seek-and-scan, digital clock, automatic volume compensation, TheftLock, weather band, digital signal processing and 15 speakers, rear passenger A/V jacks

ETR AM/FM Studio Surround Sound Bose 5.1 with in-dash 6 disc DVD changer, DVD-based Advanced Navigation, includes Radio Data System, seek-and-scan, digital clock, automatic volume compensation, TheftLock, weather band, digital signal processing and 15 speakers, rear passenger A/V jacks

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Glass, laminated front side for quiet car characteristics

Exhaust outlets, dual chrome-plated tips

Headlamps, halogen, Tungsten, windshield wiper activated, includes Twilight Sentinel and flash-to-pass feature

Headlamps, Intellibeam, automatic low/high beam control

Headlamps, Xenon, high-intensity discharge, windshield wiper activated, includes flash-to-pass and headlamp washers

Spoiler, decklid

Rear Parking Assist, Ultrasonic, includes rearview LED display and audible warning

Tires, P235/50R17, Michelin, S-rated, all-season, blackwall

Tires, P235/50R17 front and P255/45R17 rear, Michelin, V-rated, all-season, blackwall

Tires, P235/50R18 front and P255/45R18 rear, Michelin, W-rated, all-season, blackwall

Wheels, 2 - 17" x 7.5" (43.2 cm x 19.1 cm) front, 2 - 17" x 8" (43.2 cm x 20.3 cm) rear, cast aluminum, painted, 7-spoke

Wheels, 2 - 17" x 7.5" (43.2 cm x 19.1 cm) front, 2 - 17" x 8" (43.2 cm x 20.3 cm) rear, cast aluminum, polished, 7-spoke

Wheels, 4 - 18" x 8" (45.6 cm x 20.3 cm) cast aluminum polished, 9-spoke faceted

Wheels, 4 17" x 7.5" (43.2 cm x 19.1 cm) cast aluminum painted, 7-spoke

Wheels, 4 - 17" x 7.5" (43.2 cm x 19.1 cm) aluminum polished

Wipers, Rainsense

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Engine, 3.6L V6 VVT (260 HP [193.9 kW] @ 6500 rpm, 252 lb.-ft. [340.2 N-m] @ 2800 rpm)

Engine, 4.6L Northstar V8 VVT, SFI variable valve timing, Northstar (320 HP [238.6 kW] @ 6400 rpm, 315 lb.-ft. [425.3 N-m] @ 4400 rpm)

Limited Slip Differential

Performance Cooling Package, includes P/S cooler, mechanical engine driven fan and 2-80 watt pusher electric fans

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Colours, Light Gray1, Ebony1, Light Cashmere2
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Wheelbase 116.40 (2957)
Overall length 196.30 (4986)
Body width 72.60 (1844)
Overall height 57.60 (1463)
Front track width 61.80 (1570)
Rear track width 62.30 (1582)
Head room, front 38.70 (983)
Head room, rear 37.90 (963)
Shoulder room, front 58.60 (1488)
Shoulder room, rear 57.40 (1458)
Hip room, front 54.60 (1387)
Hip room, rear 55.60 (1412)
Leg room, front 42.60 (1082)
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Truth be told I think that besides the typical american car issues, the current Seville will be the last one im really interested in, and thats coming from a 21 year old that has a fully optioned STS. This is the car that drew me in, and if the next one looks anything like the CTS, which I know it will, then this will probably be my last caddy save for a possible Escalade upgrade. I really actually HEAVILY congratulate Cadillac and GM for their new styling vision, as the old Fleetwoods and the bunch really had me practically heaving at one point (as did their counterparts such as the Caprice, Roadmaster yada yada), but the previous and current Sevilles (92-2004) had a life all their own, almost outside the Cadillac fray and deserve proper respect. If I consider anything even close to a CTS-like vehicle, it will suredly be from a Euro-marque. I can not plop down 35 plus k for any american luxury car, the value holding and reliability just isnt there for me, and at each level I can always find a euro counterpart I like better. The C series is great but Id vastly prefer a 3 car, etc etc... Hopefully the next STS will have some cool gadgets tho.
 

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Truth be told I think that besides the typical american car issues, the current Seville will be the last one im really interested in, and thats coming from a 21 year old that has a fully optioned STS. This is the car that drew me in, and if the next one looks anything like the CTS, which I know it will, then this will probably be my last caddy save for a possible Escalade upgrade. I really actually HEAVILY congratulate Cadillac and GM for their new styling vision, as the old Fleetwoods and the bunch really had me practically heaving at one point (as did their counterparts such as the Caprice, Roadmaster yada yada), but the previous and current Sevilles (92-2004) had a life all their own, almost outside the Cadillac fray and deserve proper respect. If I consider anything even close to a CTS-like vehicle, it will suredly be from a Euro-marque. I can not plop down 35 plus k for any american luxury car, the value holding and reliability just isnt there for me, and at each level I can always find a euro counterpart I like better. The C series is great but Id vastly prefer a 3 car, etc etc... Hopefully the next STS will have some cool gadgets tho.
Bro i just gotta say you have BEAUTIFUL STS...if i didnt get my DTS, i would opted for a 00-02 STS. But in refernece to other people posts, ive ALWAYS thought the DEVILLE has been the flagship or cadillac, and the seville as the sportier cadillac. Am i the only one who thought that way?
 

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Bro i just gotta say you have BEAUTIFUL STS...if i didnt get my DTS, i would opted for a 00-02 STS. But in refernece to other people posts, ive ALWAYS thought the DEVILLE has been the flagship or cadillac, and the seville as the sportier cadillac. Am i the only one who thought that way?
I thinks so
Is not the flagship of the company the most costly car

So I guess the XLR would be the flagship car of the cadillac now
 

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I thinks so
Is not the flagship of the company the most costly car

So I guess the XLR would be the flagship car of the cadillac now
well i mean if u wanted to look at price, sure the deville isnt crazy expsnive, but i was referring to the DTS as the flagship, the top of the line prestige car. like the S 500 has always been the flagship of Mercedes Benz and 7 series for BMW, even though there are modesl more expenisve those both of those 2.
 

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Ok guys this is how it works!
The STS was Cadillac's flag ship but now the XLR is.
Secndly the STS is going up against the E class, 5 Series and the Audi A6 and as stated before they all start out with a V6 or I6 also.
Third the Deville was never Cadillac's flag ship the Eldorado was before the Seville came out in 76 and it has always cost more than any Deville.
Finally Cadillac will be coming out with an S-Class and 7 Series fighter in about 2 to 3 more years and it will not start out with a V6. But you must remeber that Benz and BMW fla ships use to start out with V6's also in the 80 and Benz through the 90's. Further more in Europe they still do!

Oh and the STS's V6 should have about 260HP
 

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Bro i just gotta say you have BEAUTIFUL STS...if i didnt get my DTS, i would opted for a 00-02 STS. But in refernece to other people posts, ive ALWAYS thought the DEVILLE has been the flagship or cadillac, and the seville as the sportier cadillac. Am i the only one who thought that way?
Thanks Caddy Man,Sadly she has been put to rest due to several mechanical and quality issues. The dealer I bought her from was nice enough to basically transfer me over to my 330 with a little coaxing. I always say that the STS will be my favorite american luxury car forever pretty much.
 

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Define "Flagship" for me. I too always thought of the DeVilles as the flagship of Cadillac. I know that in 1973, the Fleetwood Brougham was considered Cadillac's "Flagship" At least at the Cadillac dealer I was working for at the time. Eldorados were just odities that the "younger" guys sometimes drove.
 

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I think Flaghsip is definitely difficult to define. I think it can mean different things to different car companies. It could be the sales leader, it could be the technology leader, it could be the price leader. I think it this point the XLR would be Cadillacs Flagship, being technology and price leader. And in the future the car that comes from the "ULS" project will take over. Now other companies have cars similar to the XLR, but I wouldnt call them "flagships" For Instance, even though the SL and CL benz's cost more than the S, I believe most people see the S as MB's Flagship. Same with the 7-series bmw, the Z8 cost more, but the 7 was always the flagship imo
 

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i've just always thought the flagship is the largest most ''luxurious'' car with the most available options. thats why i thoguht the DTS, not deville, was the flagship. when i think of flagship i think of the most prestigous car. just like the lincoln town car is the flagship of lincoln. I jsut read this article and they say the DTS is the flagship:

http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0401/05/b03-26179.htm

''Moreover, the product pipeline is full, with the STS midsize sedan arriving on the market later this year and a new flagship DTS to follow.''

And also while reading a test of the Cadillac DTS vs. the Lincoln Town Car in a Motor Trend magazine (cant remeber the exact month of the issue) they refer to the two cars as the flagships of each marque. That is why i've always thought the DTS has been the flagship, and before that the Fleetwood was.
 

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Thanks Caddy Man,Sadly she has been put to rest due to several mechanical and quality issues. The dealer I bought her from was nice enough to basically transfer me over to my 330 with a little coaxing. I always say that the STS will be my favorite american luxury car forever pretty much.
what kind of problems were happening with your car?
 

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Typically what you said would be true. However the Seville since its conception in 1976 has always cost more than the Deville line up and its price does not drop as low if I am not mistaken. There was talk that the Deville would move up above the STS when it gets a full redesign but now we do not know if that is true. Reason being Cadillac has stated that they are making a new car that will rover around the 100K mark. Also the fact that the Deville is and has been a bread winner for the brand so they don't want to risk taking its price to high.
 

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what kind of problems were happening with your car?
I had an issue with the Intermediate Steering Shaft, as well as a non operational drivers side seat heater, a broken switch plate on this seat (this was replaced), I had to have the CPS sensors replaced, an uncurable rattle from the dash, and the transmission was starting to "search" for gears near the end of its time with me among other issues I cant even remember anymore.

Reuben, I agree with you, Deville is the breadwinner for Cadillacs most typical buyer and they probably wont mess with its price category or feature set too much.
 
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