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2002 STS buyer advice?

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#1 ·
Hello again. It's been a while. I'm considering a return to the Seville with a 2002 STS. It's rare to find mint condition one owner with no accident, garaged FL car with 43K miles after 20 years. This car would be garaged and used for weekend cruising. Should I pull the trigger? What do you all think?

The owner states car was just serviced.
All maintenance records are available with major services as follows:

DeVoe Cadillac, Naples, FL - 41,309 miles on April 26, 2022:

1 - Flush & fill radiator
2 - Change thermostat
3 - Oil & filter change
4 - Rotate tires
5 - Change transmission filter and fluid
6 - Flush and fill power steering system
7 - Flush and fill power brakes system
8 - Service A/C system
9 - Evap Canister Vent Valve
10 - Oil Pressure Sending Unit Replacement

Here's the build sheet:

RPODescription
UD7SENSOR INDICATOR NEAR OBSTACLE DETECTION/REAR PARKING ASSIST RR PARKING ASSIST/OBSTACLE DETECTION SENSOR(UD7)
UE1COMMUNICATION SYSTEM VEHICLE, G.P.S. 1 GPS 1 VEH COMM SYS(UE1)
UG1OPENER GARAGE DOOR, UNIVERSAL UNIVERSAL GARAGE DR OPENER(UG1)
UM5RADIO,AM/FM STEREO,DSP,WX,RDS,SEEK/SCAN,AUTO REV,CASSS,CD,CLOCK,ETR RADIO(UM5)
UV7ANTENNA, RR WINDOW, RADIO ANTENNA,RR WDO(UV7)
UX9SPEAKER SYSTEM 8, BOSE,DUALF/D MTD,DUAL RR DR,TRIPLE I/P PKG SHELF,AMP SPEAKER SYSTEM(UX9)
UY9CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT,MILES AND KILOMETER,MECHANICAL DISPLAY GA(UY9)
U1ZPLAYER MULTIPLE COMPACT DISC, PASSENGER COMPARTMENT MULTI CD PLAYER,PASS COMPT(U1Z)
VM3LABEL INFORMATION CONSUMER, CONTAINS BPR IMP STANDARD FOR FRT 5 MPH & RR 5 MPH 5 MPH BUMPER INFO LABEL(VM3)
V73VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73)
WJ7TRIM,INTERIOR(LEATHER) LEATHER TR(WJ7)
1SDPACKAGE-OPTION 04 (1SD)
19IINTERIOR TRIM COLOR (19I)
195TRIM COMBINATION,BLACK LEATHER (195)
41UEXTERIOR COLOR,PRIMARY,BLACK (41U)
6DMCOMPONENT FRT LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (6DM) SUSP(6DM)
7DMCOMPONENT FRT RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (7DM) SUSP(7DM)
8DFCOMPONENT RR LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (8DF) SUSP(8DF)
9DFCOMPONENT RR RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (9DF) SUSP(9DF)
AJ7RESTRAINT SYSTEM FRT SEAT, INFLATABLE, DRIVER AND PASSENGER, FRT & SIDE INFL RST FRT & SI(AJ7)
AL2CONTROL SEAT, POWER LUMBAR SEAT CTL,PWR LUMBAR(AL2)
AQ9SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,RECLINING RECL FRT BKT ST,LUXURY(AQ9)
CF5ROOF,SUN,GLASS SLIDING,ELECTRIC ELEC SUNROOF(GLASS)(CF5)
CJ2HVAC SYSTEM AIR CONDITIONER FRT, AUTO TEMP CONT, AUX TEMP CONT A/C FRT AUTO/AUX CONT(CJ2)
DD7MIRROR,I/S,R/V,LT SENSITIVE,COMPASS I/S RR VIEW MIR(DD7)
DEHPLANT CODE - DETROIT/HAMTRAMCK, MI, BOC HAMTRAMCK, MI PLANT(DEH)
DR2MIRROR,OUTSIDE,LH & RH, REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC, MANUAL FOLDING HEATED R/CONT HTD O/S MIR(DR2)
FE3SUSPENSION SYSTEM,SPORT SPORT SUSP(FE3)
FE9FEDERAL EMISSION CERTIFICATION FED EMIS(FE9)
FV4RATIO TRANSAXLE FINAL DRIVE 3.71 3.71R(FV4)
F55CHASSIS CONTINOUSLY VARIABLE REAL TIME DAMPING MAGNETO RHEOLOGICAL VARIABLE TIME DAMPING CHASSIS(F55)
IL5Unknown
JL4CONTROL ACTIVE BRAKE ACTIVE BRAKE CONTROL(JL4)
JL9BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT AND REAR DISC,ANTILOCK FRT & RR DISC ANTILOCK BRK(JL9)
KA1HEATER - SEAT ST HTR(KA1)
KG9GENERATOR,140 AMPERE 140 AMP(KG9)
LHDVEHICLE DRIVE LEFTHAND DRIVE LEFT HAND DRIVE(LHD)
L37ENGINE,4.6L,V8,DOHC,SFI,281C.I.D.(NORTHSTAR) 4.6-9(L37)
MH1TRANSMISSION AUTO 4 SPD, 4T80E, ELECTRONIC CONV CLUTCH 4-SPD A/TRANS(MH1)
MX0TRANSMISSION,AUTOMATIC,OVERDRIVE(MERCHANDISING OPTION) A/TRANS PROVISIONS(MX0)
NF7EMISSION SYSTEM FEDERAL, NLEV FEDERAL EMIS NLEV(NF7)
NG5REGISTRATION EMISSION, CERTIFICATION, FIFTY STATE (50) FIFTY STATE U.S. EMIS(NG5)
N30STEERING WHEEL(DELUXE) DELUXE STRG WHL(N30)
P05WHEEL,CHROME CHROME WHL(P05)
QD6WHEEL SPARE COMPACT, STEEL COMPACT SPA WHL, STEEL(QD6)
QQXTIRE ALL P235/60ZR16 BW R/PE ST TL AL3 TIRE(QQX)
R6MCONTROL - SALES ITEM NO. 13
SLMSALES PROCESSING - STOCK ORDERS
 
#5 ·
The only thing that would "worry" me would be that was the 1st year for the new magnetic struts. If they have never been changed, I'm sure they are due. They are discontinued from GM but it looks like there are some replacements out there.


Max

Hello again. It's been a while. I'm considering a return to the Seville with a 2002 STS. It's rare to find mint condition one owner with no accident, garaged FL car with 43K miles after 20 years. This car would be garaged and used for weekend cruising. Should I pull the trigger? What do you all think?

The owner states car was just serviced.
All maintenance records are available with major services as follows:

DeVoe Cadillac, Naples, FL - 41,309 miles on April 26, 2022:

1 - Flush & fill radiator
2 - Change thermostat
3 - Oil & filter change
4 - Rotate tires
5 - Change transmission filter and fluid
6 - Flush and fill power steering system
7 - Flush and fill power brakes system
8 - Service A/C system
9 - Evap Canister Vent Valve
10 - Oil Pressure Sending Unit Replacement

Here's the build sheet:

RPODescription
UD7SENSOR INDICATOR NEAR OBSTACLE DETECTION/REAR PARKING ASSIST RR PARKING ASSIST/OBSTACLE DETECTION SENSOR(UD7)
UE1COMMUNICATION SYSTEM VEHICLE, G.P.S. 1 GPS 1 VEH COMM SYS(UE1)
UG1OPENER GARAGE DOOR, UNIVERSAL UNIVERSAL GARAGE DR OPENER(UG1)
UM5RADIO,AM/FM STEREO,DSP,WX,RDS,SEEK/SCAN,AUTO REV,CASSS,CD,CLOCK,ETR RADIO(UM5)
UV7ANTENNA, RR WINDOW, RADIO ANTENNA,RR WDO(UV7)
UX9SPEAKER SYSTEM 8, BOSE,DUALF/D MTD,DUAL RR DR,TRIPLE I/P PKG SHELF,AMP SPEAKER SYSTEM(UX9)
UY9CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT,MILES AND KILOMETER,MECHANICAL DISPLAY GA(UY9)
U1ZPLAYER MULTIPLE COMPACT DISC, PASSENGER COMPARTMENT MULTI CD PLAYER,PASS COMPT(U1Z)
VM3LABEL INFORMATION CONSUMER, CONTAINS BPR IMP STANDARD FOR FRT 5 MPH & RR 5 MPH 5 MPH BUMPER INFO LABEL(VM3)
V73VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73)
WJ7TRIM,INTERIOR(LEATHER) LEATHER TR(WJ7)
1SDPACKAGE-OPTION 04 (1SD)
19IINTERIOR TRIM COLOR (19I)
195TRIM COMBINATION,BLACK LEATHER (195)
41UEXTERIOR COLOR,PRIMARY,BLACK (41U)
6DMCOMPONENT FRT LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (6DM) SUSP(6DM)
7DMCOMPONENT FRT RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (7DM) SUSP(7DM)
8DFCOMPONENT RR LH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (8DF) SUSP(8DF)
9DFCOMPONENT RR RH COMPUTER SEL SUSP (9DF) SUSP(9DF)
AJ7RESTRAINT SYSTEM FRT SEAT, INFLATABLE, DRIVER AND PASSENGER, FRT & SIDE INFL RST FRT & SI(AJ7)
AL2CONTROL SEAT, POWER LUMBAR SEAT CTL,PWR LUMBAR(AL2)
AQ9SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,RECLINING RECL FRT BKT ST,LUXURY(AQ9)
CF5ROOF,SUN,GLASS SLIDING,ELECTRIC ELEC SUNROOF(GLASS)(CF5)
CJ2HVAC SYSTEM AIR CONDITIONER FRT, AUTO TEMP CONT, AUX TEMP CONT A/C FRT AUTO/AUX CONT(CJ2)
DD7MIRROR,I/S,R/V,LT SENSITIVE,COMPASS I/S RR VIEW MIR(DD7)
DEHPLANT CODE - DETROIT/HAMTRAMCK, MI, BOC HAMTRAMCK, MI PLANT(DEH)
DR2MIRROR,OUTSIDE,LH & RH, REMOTE CONTROL,ELECTRIC, MANUAL FOLDING HEATED R/CONT HTD O/S MIR(DR2)
FE3SUSPENSION SYSTEM,SPORT SPORT SUSP(FE3)
FE9FEDERAL EMISSION CERTIFICATION FED EMIS(FE9)
FV4RATIO TRANSAXLE FINAL DRIVE 3.71 3.71R(FV4)
F55CHASSIS CONTINOUSLY VARIABLE REAL TIME DAMPING MAGNETO RHEOLOGICAL VARIABLE TIME DAMPING CHASSIS(F55)
IL5Unknown
JL4CONTROL ACTIVE BRAKE ACTIVE BRAKE CONTROL(JL4)
JL9BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT AND REAR DISC,ANTILOCK FRT & RR DISC ANTILOCK BRK(JL9)
KA1HEATER - SEAT ST HTR(KA1)
KG9GENERATOR,140 AMPERE 140 AMP(KG9)
LHDVEHICLE DRIVE LEFTHAND DRIVE LEFT HAND DRIVE(LHD)
L37ENGINE,4.6L,V8,DOHC,SFI,281C.I.D.(NORTHSTAR) 4.6-9(L37)
MH1TRANSMISSION AUTO 4 SPD, 4T80E, ELECTRONIC CONV CLUTCH 4-SPD A/TRANS(MH1)
MX0TRANSMISSION,AUTOMATIC,OVERDRIVE(MERCHANDISING OPTION) A/TRANS PROVISIONS(MX0)
NF7EMISSION SYSTEM FEDERAL, NLEV FEDERAL EMIS NLEV(NF7)
NG5REGISTRATION EMISSION, CERTIFICATION, FIFTY STATE (50) FIFTY STATE U.S. EMIS(NG5)
N30STEERING WHEEL(DELUXE) DELUXE STRG WHL(N30)
P05WHEEL,CHROME CHROME WHL(P05)
QD6WHEEL SPARE COMPACT, STEEL COMPACT SPA WHL, STEEL(QD6)
QQXTIRE ALL P235/60ZR16 BW R/PE ST TL AL3 TIRE(QQX)
R6MCONTROL - SALES ITEM NO. 13
SLMSALES PROCESSING - STOCK ORDERS
 
#8 ·
Check the date code on the tires. Rotating means little to nothing unless they’re almost new, regardless of tread. If the tires are old [over 4yrs. old] that’s a good place to start negotiating the price.
 
#19 ·
That STS was built after 01/15/2002 (door sticker). As was mine, and the original MRC struts and shocks are as solid as the day they went onto the car. Nice find. Keep it clean and drive the snot out of it.

Someone was smart to remove the obsolete (incorrect info) sticker from the radiator sight shield. DO NOT use any sort of coolant sealants or conditioners in that engine. 50/50 DEX-COOL every 4 years is just fine.

I paid $23,500 for mine in 11/05 so that car is slightly overpriced today, but the used car market is in the clouds right now. Go for it.

Take a good look at the driver's door sticker - what is the complete tire size shown? According to your build sheet that's one of the (our) rare Z-cars - speed unlimited. QQX. Yes, you have the 16" wheels - rounded spokes instead of the 17" flat spoke type. My car's original owner wheedled a swap - at the dealership - to the set of 17" flat-spoke wheels. :cool: (He sent me all the paperwork)

Same car, different color -

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EDIT: Don't baby it. Study these forums and occasionally let it ALL hang out. A babied Northstar is a pig of an engine. A well-run Northstar is a true screamer...... and it runs perfectly well - and is calibrated for - 87 octane, and don't let hearsay and unfounded opinion tell you any different. Read the owner's manual - twice. Cadillac had some foggy idea of what they built and when they recommend how you drive it.
 
#20 ·
Meguiar's makes a black carnauba wax, worked great on my black pearl ( although shes delaminating now, fck Maaco) but thats a whole different story


Nice find, reminds me of Cadi509's black on black 02 STS. His was very very clean.