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I just got back from my Caddy parts department to get the Nav C1 terminals for the harness I'm building for Shaft (BTW, everything will be in the mail tomorrow). While I was there I had him look up the sport grill and strut brace part numbers. I found out that the computer shows the new sport grill as only coming with a front bumper facia (all one piece?), unpainted for $440. They both have the same part number and price.

The good news is I ordered the new strut brace! The part number is 15245609. GMPD lists it for $110 MSRP, and $65 'your price'. My dealer showed dealer price as $130, but he gave it to me for $83 (which is likely close to the GMPD price with S/H factored). The bad news is that he didn't see any in stock with no delivery date . . . . meaning it's not yet available. I paid anyway, so when one comes in, I have it!

He couldn't find the new hood insulator in his computer that matches, though. I figured I'll work that out later. I want my strut brace! Who's gonna be the first order one from GMPD to see when it's available? OR, you can all wait for Ody to be the guinea pig and make sure it fits correctly. LOL
 

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I hope it fits the 3.2L. LOL There's only one way to find out. Now I just have to be patient and wait for them to be available. Did anyone else get an expected delivery date?

As far as bolts, it uses three (on each side) of the five bolts that hold the strut in place on the towers, just like the V strut tower brace.

I've got a very early '03, but I'll have to look to see where it may interfere. If it does, I'll wait until the liner becomes more available in the coming months and get that too.
 

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And the race is on to see who gets one first (and make sure it really fits!). My parts guy is the best . . . he'll take an hour to trace part numbers, even when he's got five customers behind me. He always gives me 20% to 35% off his normal prices. The other parts guys at the same dealer don't do that for me. His price of $83 is only $3 more than the GMPD price. I'm MORE than willing to pay a little more for all the work he does for me. Normally I'd go to GMPD, but it felt totally wrong to have him do the research, get the part number, then order from someone else. I'm glad he got the number, for everyone elses sake, though!

Now, I hope the sport grill issue was a database problem that gets sorted out in the coming months. It just doesnt' seem right that you can only get that grill with a whole front bumper.
 

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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!!!!

Be watching your dealers lots guys, Like I mentioned in another thread, one of the dealers in Indy delivered a CTS with the 18" wheel sport appearance package yesterday. I'm kind of ticked cause I was going to go by there last night but changed my mind. :banghead: They had a couple other cars in the show room though with the rear wing, which looks pretty cool. I figured if they had the car on the lot, they should have part numbers but when I talked to the parts dept guy, he told me they didnt install any of those parts, they were installed locally at another shop. I went over there and the manager at that place told me they did a lot of aftermarket things like E&G grills and such, but not the 18" sport appearance package stuff, that came installed from GM. :thepan: So yeah, these dealer guys are pissing me off so I'm just going to keep harrassing the hell out of them until I get part numbers, then go through GM parts direct!

Ody, youre my hero!!! Let me know if that strut brace works, I cant afford to order it and have it not fit!!!
 

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What are the negative ramifications if the hoodliner doesn't have the indentation? Installing the strut tower brace might impinge on space otherwise taken up by foamy hood liner material but there is no real downside, right?

Sure, you might have your hoodliner compressed, but if it is not a fire hazard or safety risk, who really cares? I have an early model '05 and whether or not the hoodliner clears, I will have that strut tower brace, assuming it does not dent my hood when I try to close it.

In my mind, increased performance wins over aesthetics every time. Rarely, if ever, do people want to look under the hood and when they do their reaction is typically, "Uh, so what's under the big engine cover? You can't see anything!"

My biggest question is, what is the strut tower brace going to affect? Is it going to reduce oversteer or understeer? I can't wait to find out!
 

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I'm curious to see if and how bad any interferance is. The hood liner isn't foam, but is a harder pressed material. The only thing I can think of is it will eventually rub the paint off of the top of the strut tower brace. Until someone gets one installed to check for these kinds of clearance issues, I'm not even going to worry.

Was there an issue though with the 3.6 with the engine cover also having an indentation for clearance? That would be a bigger concern for me, especially since I have a 3.2L car. I can't remove an engine cover, if there is interferance. That would suck if it doesn't fit properly over the aluminum intake manifold.

I know there's not much room between the engine and the hood. I bought a V strut brace right after I got my car. The V8 sits lower (doesn't have over head cams) so the bar sat on top of the engine with about an inch to go for it to reach the strut towers. The Hood wouldn't close, even if you put spacers on it! This new one looks like it moves the bar rearward about 6", where there is a little more room.

We're not gonna know until someone actually installs one, although we know it fits a 3.6L, with possible swaps of the engine cover and hood liner. Hopefully, that's not needed.
 

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shaft said:
Why not just trim your hoodliner to fit?
DON'T LET THIS MAN ON THE PLANE!!!

Actually I was looking at a custom hood liner. I told them about the new brace and clearance problems. He said they have a black fabric tape and as Shaft suggests, cut the insulation and repair the exposed edges with this fabric tape. A possible solution.
 

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MikeB066 said:
My biggest question is, what is the strut tower brace going to affect? Is it going to reduce oversteer or understeer? I can't wait to find out!
So you definitely are going to get one because it's cool, but you don't really know what, if anything, it affects? Got rice?

The theoretical benefit is that it ties the two shock towers together so that they can't lean in during hard cornering, and therefore affect suspension geometry. Personally, I see this as a much more important mod on cars with less solid structures than Sigma. Also, since the brace goes so far back towards the firewall (it seems only about 6-8 inches from the firewall), one would have to wonder if it's really able to add that much more stiffening than the firewall already is. I'd be very surprised if anyone could notice the difference on a street-driven car.
 

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1500cc said:
So you definitely are going to get one because it's cool, but you don't really know what, if anything, it affects? Got rice?

The theoretical benefit is that it ties the two shock towers together so that they can't lean in during hard cornering, and therefore affect suspension geometry. Personally, I see this as a much more important mod on cars with less solid structures than Sigma. Also, since the brace goes so far back towards the firewall (it seems only about 6-8 inches from the firewall), one would have to wonder if it's really able to add that much more stiffening than the firewall already is. I'd be very surprised if anyone could notice the difference on a street-driven car.
Sort of works with your sway bar theory. I want both.:yup:
 
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