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Devil_concours said:
it will be very interesting when the gto comes out. It will be compared to all the cars including gm's other cars for handling performance which it is suppose to be VERY good at.

i really dont want to go off on a tangent so ill keep this short...why does pontiac think it can sell the GTO when it couldnt sell the Firebird..arent these cars very similar.

But to get back to cadillac...to me the CTS-V needs 350hp minimum
 

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Devil_concours said:
ctsv's target audience is potential m3 buyers
stsv's job is to get the m5 buyers
here is one of the problems of comparing BMW and cadillac, they just compare strangely...the CTS may price around the 3-series but it is the size of the 5-series so the CTS-v would better compete against M5...the M3 better competes with the corvette...and before you guys jump on me about the corvette being the great american sports car check the stats the M3 and corvette are very comparable...of course the Corvette is better:D...the STS should really be taking a shot at the S-class and 7-Series
 

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like i said, they dont really compare all that well, by saying the DTS competes with S and 7 you are basically saying Cadillac does not compete with S and 7...i like the DTS but they are nowhere close to those cars
 

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im not disagreeing with you about CTS and 3-series, i just dont think that cadillac and BMW compare all that well

3-series/CTS
M3/Corvette
5-series/sts
M5/CTS-V?
7-series/no real competitor

i guess thats how i see it...just one mans opinion...but i know im right dammit:)
 

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"m3 wasn't meant to be a sports car"

maybe not but when it came out all the mags did head to head with vette and M3 and it won car and drivers best handling car in the world title a few years ago...it may not be meant to be an american sports car but it was meant to be a BMW sports car
 

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Devil_concours said:
and this same magazine declare m3 as the winner because it had backseats when vette killed both m3 and boxster in every category of test that they performed.
M3 gets compare to vette and boxster because of its capabilities. It's not a sports car it wasn't meant to be. It's just that m3 can beat most of sports cars that are out in the market currently
i think it actually won because car and driver cant have a bmw lose anything...but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, if the M3 is not a sports car i dont know what is...BMW's site has the Vette as the first comparison car in the dropdown menu for "M3 Competitors"...the car has an optional trans that is essentially the gearbox F1 uses...im not sure what your criteria is for something being a sports car but the 911 has a back seat as well
 
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