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HotRodSaint said:
It looks like the magazines are starting to place the HP closer to 350 instead of 400.

GM still has an issue with the stigma of the gaz guzzler tax. So maybe they are compromising to get better fuel economy and avoid the tax.
funny thing is that z06 vettes get better gas mileage than our cads. i think figure is somewhere around 18/28
 

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Sal Collaziano said:
Ahh. GM always seems to cut back on the horsepower at the last minute.. The Z06 gets better gas mileage because of weight. Right? It only ways about 3100 pounds...
i'm sure cts isn't that far off from cts. I'm guessing within 300lbs. I did hear few ppl making comments that vettes aren't being pushed any harder because they don't want to pay gas guzzler's tax.
 

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i hope that figure holds true. That will be awesome seeing these monsters out on the road beating all the performance euro and japanese contenders.
Shoot you only need an ls1 vette to beat the m3 so with the ls6 in cts you should be able to kill it and still have some room left.
 

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I think i may check out the ctsv when it comes out. I love the ligenfelter twin turbo 427 vette. 0-60 in 1.97 sec... having the thoughts of sending the cts to ligenfelter is too good to be true.
 

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it will be very interesting when the gto comes out. It will be compared to all the cars including gm's other cars for handling performance which it is suppose to be VERY good at.
 

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HotRodSaint said:
If Cadillac's intended target audience is potential M5 buyers, then it needs a minimum of 394HP.

ctsv's target audience is potential m3 buyers
stsv's job is to get the m5 buyers
 

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Brett said:
here is one of the problems of comparing BMW and cadillac, they just compare strangely...the CTS may price around the 3-series but it is the size of the 5-series so the CTS-v would better compete against M5...the M3 better competes with the corvette...and before you guys jump on me about the corvette being the great american sports car check the stats the M3 and corvette are very comparable...of course the Corvette is better:D...the STS should really be taking a shot at the S-class and 7-Series
here is how this should be compared
cts technically is a midsize sedan. However, cadillac uses cts as a direct competition to the 3 series (handling capability targeted directly for the 3 series). For the size most bmw is small for the class that it's competiting in.

CTS as an entry level luxury car competes directly with 3 series(bmw's entry level car). STS competes directly with 5 series as midsize luxury car and dts comeptes directly with 7 series as the full szie luxury.

This doesn't just apply to bmw v cadillac it's more like bmw vs all.
 

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Brett said:
like i said, they dont really compare all that well, by saying the DTS competes with S and 7 you are basically saying Cadillac does not compete with S and 7...i like the DTS but they are nowhere close to those cars
they are in the same class. Only thing that sets german counterparts apart from our deville is the price. That's why cadillac needs to step up and get into ultra luxury with sixteen concept and bring cadillac brand name up one level and improve in terms of quality in every model.
 

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Brett said:
im not disagreeing with you about CTS and 3-series, i just dont think that cadillac and BMW compare all that well

3-series/CTS
M3/Corvette
5-series/sts
M5/CTS-V?
7-series/no real competitor

i guess thats how i see it...just one mans opinion...but i know im right dammit:)
m3's only competition is audi s4/rs4.

m3 wasn't meant to be a sports car.
 

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Brett said:
"m3 wasn't meant to be a sports car"

maybe not but when it came out all the mags did head to head with vette and M3 and it won car and drivers best handling car in the world title a few years ago...it may not be meant to be an american sports car but it was meant to be a BMW sports car
and this same magazine declare m3 as the winner because it had backseats when vette killed both m3 and boxster in every category of test that they performed.
M3 gets compare to vette and boxster because of its capabilities. It's not a sports car it wasn't meant to be. It's just that m3 can beat most of sports cars that are out in the market currently
 

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HotRodSaint said:
Traditional lines are certainly getting blurred.

(Quick, anyone know why that new VW isn't really a Phaeton?)

I think it's a stretch to call the M3 a sports car. It is certainly a Sports Coupe.

The 911 rear seat is more like a jump seat. And no one would consider it a 2+2.

There is no Coupe's (or Sedans) that can compete with the M3. Unless you want to include the Mustang Cobra. So they have to go up against all the other 'driver' oriented car's.
i guess you missed my post about audi rs4. Maybe not in here in us but m3 does have a direct competitor in europe.
 

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Nagash01WS6 said:
Heh... Same drivetrain... and thats about it.

Couldnt sell the firebird???

Maybe if they actually advertised it they would have sold.
i don't think advertisement was an issue because mustang wasn't advertised just as much as the firebird. It just lost market share and gm made a decision as a business/company. Just as Australians have a different taste in cars as us, new GTO is going to be a different dog than firebird.
 
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