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    Hello China!

    Anyone seen this, yet?
    http://youtu.be/Lvl5Gan69Wo

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    Re: Hello China!

    American companies must grow, or they are considered moribund by the investment world. The US auto market has been mature for some time, so it behooves GM to seek a market where growth in both size and market share are possible. China is among the fastest growing economies in the world, and one that the automobile and truck markets have a long way to go before maturity is reached so it makes good sense for GM to emphasize this market.
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    This goes beyond simply emphasizing a market. Given our government's intervention to save the company, GM's behavior in these new relationships with the Chinese and their Communist party borders on treason, not to mention the affront to the American auto workers.

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    Re: Hello China!

    Welcome to 2012, Bill. Business doesn't recognize borders or national loyalty. The only thing that matters anymore is this quarter's financials.
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    The CEO Dan Akerson was quoted saying that a GM car is no different than a Diet Coke, here check out the link

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/03/...ed-strategies/ This guy is terrible for GM, he's not a car guy from what I heard, and is doing everything possible to cut costs, rather then to build the best cars in the world. I think GM moving on into China was expected, I see all the US car companies these days as being "Foreign" to some extent, GM specifically. How can you not? Most of their business is outside the US, and GM is moving many of it's agencies into China and other countries instead of investing more of here in the US.

    All I can say is that it's just sad. It's similar to the effect of what Honda and Toyota has done over the years by moving plants outside of Japan to increase it's profit because of it's high value currency, the Yen. Toyota or Honda can easily save a ton of money by paying a US worker $15 an hour, vs paying a Japanese worker to do the exact same job. And because their headquarters are in Japan, the savings are huge.

    What sucks about it most of all is that GM or Ford aren't really building cars specifically for our Market anymore, everything has to be for everyone else in the world too. So a Cadillac Ciel which GM should build! Probably wont be built since the dimensions, and every other factor that comes with designing and putting it all together, has to satisfy the people and governments in China, Europe, South America, Africa and so on. It's a devastating effect, globalization is destroying American jobs, and our individuality, but it's perfect for corporations.

    GM in 5 years might as well pack up there effin bags and move somewhere else, I can see GM building all of it's cars in China, and then shipping them here in America for the US market.

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    Re: Hello China!

    Quote Originally Posted by SDCaddyLacky View Post
    The CEO Dan Akerson was quoted saying that a GM car is no different than a Diet Coke, here check out the link

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/03/...ed-strategies/ This guy is terrible for GM, he's not a car guy from what I heard, and is doing everything possible to cut costs, rather then to build the best cars in the world.

    What sucks about it most of all is that GM or Ford aren't really building cars specifically for our Market anymore, everything has to be for everyone else in the world too. So a Cadillac Ciel which GM should build! Probably wont be built since the dimensions, and every other factor that comes with designing and putting it all together, has to satisfy the people and governments in China, Europe, South America, Africa and so on.....

    GM in 5 years might as well pack up there effin bags and move somewhere else, I can see GM building all of it's cars in China, and then shipping them here in America for the US market.
    It is a shame that GM hasn't learned from it's past and is it seems doomed to repeat it. It is a return of the 80's when the soap merchants thought they could sell cars like they sold toothpaste and shampoo. Bob Lutz was the last glimmer of hope for the General, but with the way things are now who knows.
    Anyone who hasn't read his books, Gutz, and Car Guys vs Bean Counters really should.
    The only thing any of the car companies made for our market was trucks and suvs and that wasn't because that was what we wanted as we are told. It was because of failed government cafe regulations that punished manufactures for producing the full size wagons and sedans that we really wanted. The loop hole was truck regs that allowed lower mileage. When they took away the big cars we were forced into trucks. That was also why tiny little cars like the PT Cruiser and others were listed as trucks.
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    Re: Hello China!

    The video's portrayal of the recent past is a little paranoid and over the top, but it does raise a few points.

    To GM's credit, the company's growth in China has resulted in increased American hiring that likely wouldn't have happened without profits from Asia.

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    Re: Hello China!

    That whole video is nationalistic nonsense. Pull out of China and you can essentially say goodbye to GM for good. This April was a record month for GM in April.

    Newsflash: China is a rapidly growing country. Businesses will go there for obvious reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by SDCaddyLacky View Post
    What sucks about it most of all is that GM or Ford aren't really building cars specifically for our Market anymore, everything has to be for everyone else in the world too. So a Cadillac Ciel which GM should build! Probably wont be built since the dimensions, and every other factor that comes with designing and putting it all together, has to satisfy the people and governments in China, Europe, South America, Africa and so on. It's a devastating effect, globalization is destroying American jobs, and our individuality, but it's perfect for corporations.
    This has always been the case, for every car manufacturer... ever. American preferences aren't the standard for the world. Which is why the Chinese market has a lot of vehicles not available here, and the US has vehicles not available in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary88 View Post
    That whole video is nationalistic nonsense. Pull out of China and you can essentially say goodbye to GM for good. This April was a record month for GM in April.

    Newsflash: China is a rapidly growing country. Businesses will go there for obvious reasons.


    This has always been the case, for every car manufacturer... ever. American preferences aren't the standard for the world. Which is why the Chinese market has a lot of vehicles not available here, and the US has vehicles not available in China.


    You make a valid point, I would only hope for Cadillac to at least finally get the ball rolling on it's full size flagship for the US market specifically and not necessarily the Chinese market since I am sure trying to drive a big Cadillac in China would be very difficult in many locations. The Ciel should be uniquely American in it's design, styling, performance and overall presence. Cadillac could give us that in small numbers and I am sure many customers would be satisfied. But becuase Dan Akerson is at the throne, I doubt this dude will pursue such a task at allowing Cadillac to make a car like the Ciel, the man is not a car guy, he's a business man, these two types of people are as different as night and day. I believe he is trying to eliminate as much car enthusiast in GM at the top levels of management as possible, and replace them with more people that think like him so decisions and everything he proposes will easily be agreed upon without questioning.

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    Re: Hello China!

    The Chinese market for cars is larger than all European country's combined! So why should GM miss this huge market?!

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    Re: Hello China!

    nationalistic nonsense? There is nothing nonsensical about facts that show a major U.S. corporation that was bailed out by the U.S. government to be everything but nationalistic. America needs more American nationalism. Nationalism is good - not nonsense.

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    Re: Hello China!

    Future cars and trucks will indeed be designed in and influenced heavily by the Chinese market. And yes, we'll eventually see plenty of cars made primarily for China sold in the US.

    American buyers will become second-tier as resources are consolidated. That's the nature of efficiency and scale.

    In Australia, for example, homegrown models like the Commodore and Falcon are being phased out in favor of global models that have to cater to European efficiency needs, emerging Asian budgets, American expectations for safety and value, and Australian expectations for power and comfort.

    This does, however, open up a void for manufacturers willing to fill niche markets.
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    Re: Hello China!

    ^And there you have it.

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    Re: Hello China!

    Quote Originally Posted by bill57 View Post
    nationalistic nonsense? There is nothing nonsensical about facts that show a major U.S. corporation that was bailed out by the U.S. government to be everything but nationalistic. America needs more American nationalism. Nationalism is good - not nonsense.
    A little late to wake up to American manufacturers having their products made in China! Americans have been blithely filling their closets, living rooms and garages with Chinese made products for the last thirty years. All that cheap Chinese labor has kept the cost of the never ending American urge to shop within the financial grasp of the much vaunted "American Middle Class" (or at least within their ability to borrow to purchase all that stuff!). American companies have been benefiting from savings from labor cost and tax incentives from off shore production for a very long time, it's just that the Americans were more interested in the cheap materials for their cheap "Mac Mansions" and the stuff to fill them than they were in the realities of their cherished way of life. Now some have finally awakened to the fact that there has been a very real cost to all this consumption of cheap overseas produced goods. Don't blame American business for supplying the American public with what it wants from the most profitable sources it can find .... that's called "capitalism!" Take a look at the American habit of using their houses as checking accounts and their credit cards as earned money, not to mention their willingness to borrow back the money made by the Chinese to finance all this acquisition of "stuff!" And What do most American middle class families have to show for all this? A full driveway cause their cars won't fit in their garages because the garages are filled with all this stuff they just had to have. They also ended up with kids deeply in debt with educational loans that maybe could have been smaller if the parents hadn't "needed" all that stuff.

    We need to bring manufacturing back to the US, but the jobs to man the plants won't be paying what they used to pay for even semi skilled labor, and the numbers once employed will probably not be need to fill these jobs. So it looks like it will be a long climb out of this so-called recession!
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    Re: Hello China!

    Some of the parts in our American cars come from Chinese plants, including the Mustang. It won't be long before China ships pre-made knock-down kits here for low-level assembly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock-down_kit

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    Quote Originally Posted by orconn View Post
    We need to bring manufacturing back to the US, but the jobs to man the plants won't be paying what they used to pay for even semi skilled labor, and the numbers once employed will probably not be need to fill these jobs. So it looks like it will be a long climb out of this so-called recession!
    I dont see that changing, ever. After WWII the world was destroyed, giving us the opportunity to provide everyone with goods that couldn't be produced anywhere else.

    Now that the world has recovered (and developed significantly), America is forced to compete, and with that competition comes harder work for fewer rewards.


    The getting was good, and now it's gone.
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