No AWD. Ever.
No AWD. Ever.
I want a 650 HP+ ATS-V. Heck, Ford already has 650 HP and 600 TQ in their 2013 GT500 coming in May and for less than $60K. GM has a lot of work to do on the ATS-V and next gen CTS-V in order to compete in the HP wars.
GM has the formula down with chassis refinement and handling and curb weight of the ATS, but they just need to dial up the power and I am ready to snatch one up! Of course, make mine an ATS-V COUPE!
I think you might see a 650 hp 3rd gen CTS-V. I would not expect that kind of power on the ATS-V though. Not if Cadillac are sticking to their credo of competing head to head with BMW.
Besides which, I have heard stories that these 600+ hp cars are tricky to insure.
650 hp in a 3400 lb car? That's a dream. Could it happen? Well, we didn't believe we'd see 400 hp in an '04 CTS-V, so who knows.
Personally, if we get a 3.6 TT with 440-450 hp and a warranty, I'd be thrilled.
'05 CTS-V, Maggie, Kooks, Hotchkis, Ground Control, Corsa, B&M, DSS/Hendrix, Full 3M Clear Bra, Autovation, V Headrests, CTS Console, STS-V 55w Fogs, Black Vette FRCs, Specter Werkes, Katech LS9 Clutch, SS Brake Lines, Heavymetals U-Turn Fuel Line Eliminator, Momo Combat Evo Shift Knob, Wldwhl Clear Sidemarkers, Linea Corse LC855 Wheels, plus a couple more. Mustang dyno'd at 472 RWHP/411 RWTQ.
A near 4000-4100lb CTS-V with DCT, ceramic brakes and F/I Gen V sounds like a winner to me, but I'd settle for any 3 of those.
Just ask a viper owner.Besides which, I have heard stories that these 600+ hp cars are tricky to insure.
I am most interested in fuel economy these days. My next car has to be 30 mpg highway. Considering I am eeking out 24 with my Camaro, I am hopeful the ATS-V will be able to do it.
The rumor mills are all pointing to 380 hp. If they can keep under 3700 lbs, I would be quite satisfied with that.
[/COLOR]I hope not, an E60 Sedan with that wonderful V8 sometimes weighs under that much, and then you're talking about a V with 60HP more than the lower-spec'd V6, so it would need to be the lotus elise of the ATS line to make up for that, which would be hard to do seeing as you'll be able to spec magneride on the base ATS. An ATS-V needs 100Hp over the next lowest model, that's how these car's have worked for decades. That means 420+.The rumor mills are all pointing to 380 hp. If they can keep under 3700 lbs, I would be quite satisfied with that.
Emissions regulations and rising fuel costs aren't the only things that are going to choke the horsepower wars. Cars are just getting too fast. And they're getting into the hands of irresponsible people. Eventually cars are going to have to slow down. I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point in the not too distant future, we're all racing cars not much faster than Toyota Corollas. We'll eventually get used to it and the cars doing 14 second quarter miles will feel fast again. 10 second cars all over the street is, honestly, ridiculous.
Right. 0-60 times for plebeian family sedans trump sports cars from 20 years ago. Consumption, not emmissions, will affect things. Even still, I think performance remains a priority for the US
I don't think the HP wars will end anytime soon. They are just getting started!
The US like many countries where space is plentiful crave speed.
If you see anything here in the US it will be the trend to raise speeds in the country and drop them in the city.
Super low speeds in Europe have never kept HP down. Consumption keeps HP from being in everyones hands, but there will always be places of cheap fuel and open spaces which shall demand high HP cars.
Quite frankly, I think fuel economy is probably forcing the use of technologies used to acheive performance to achieve economy. CAFE basicly outlaws affordability, so the time when twin turbos were used for performance are turned into the times where twin turbos are used for fuel efficiency.
I can't see the hp wars going much farther. I mean 650 hp? That's crazy. In 10 years, high school kids will be buying 650 hp Mustangs. That's crazy. Where does it stop? 850 hp Corvettes? I am still surprised by the new GT500. The best performance tires on the market are not going to put 650 hp on the ground, and I don't see it coming from the factory with DRs.
I dunno, electronics and aerodynamics have really helped. I can see that working hand in hand with added efficiency...