There will be a smaller displacement version for trucks.
I am betting GM's twin turbo 6, when (if) it is finally ready, will usurp all V8s except in performance cars. Much like Ford is trying to do. Of course Ford isn't quite able to make V8s with broad torque curves like GM does.
^Exactly. Plus Cadillac is not simply trying to build another performance car (there are already plenty of those) They are trying to build a performance brand. And for that, image is everything. Even though image means nothing to those of use who are just interested in performance, we are a small minority.
Besides, if you want an LT1 powered alpha, I almost promise you it is going to be available as a sixth gen Camaro. Which is fine by me. I don't need (or want) cushy leather seats and a bunch of electro-console-gadgets.
Image is winning.
I don't see a SC V8 being necessary, a NA V8 will be fine.
That LT1 would be perfect and would beat a stock boost Turbo I6 M3.
I think you guys are kidding yourselves if you think people in this segment would have faith in an unproven TT V6 from GM.
I can't see anybody in their right mind buying a GM TT V6 over the upcomming Turbo I6 M3 or TT V8 C63?
GM knows V8's (and wins racing series with them) so that is what they need to go with in order to properly compete.
Anything less and they may as well stay home.
Should I dare to use Fords current TT V6 SHO as an example of underachievement?
I could not bear to see GM go there.
People trust GM V8's, because they have a proven track record and are economical to maintain/repair and have a long service life.
If you like massive depreciation then a TT V6 is for you.
An LT1 V8 however would continue the history of conquest that the V1 and V2 started.
The old iron block 350 just being the LT1? This new one is the LT1.5?
But where'd you get the idea of a supercharged V8? The LT1 at 450/450 is the right answer.
And "just get a Camaro" really?? Why should GM make anyone choose between their best engine and their best sport sedan?
Look. If the ATS-V has a V8, we'll all be happy. If the ATS-V has a TT V6, some of us will be unhappy. Let's see what happens. All I'm saying is that, right now, a V8 is not in the plans for the ATS-V. That could change. And if enough people voice their concern, maybe it will. Good luck...
If you are TRUE driving enthusiast, then the luxury and refinements of the ATS won't matter to you. Getting the most performance per dollar will.
Lord Cadillac -- I'm keeping my fingers crossed. And my voice clear
I am not a scotsman. And I am not a Cadillac diehard. I like driving, and I don't care about vibrating leather seats, fancy headlights, or godhelpme, haptic feedback touch screens.
More straw men. Knock it off with the implication that anyone who's interested in things you're not is somehow worth less than you.
I implied nothing of the sort. If you are having an inferiority complex, that's on you.
You are the one who implied the Camaro is less of a car than the ATS. I simply supplied evidence that you are wrong. What you want in a car is not what I want in a car. If you want luxury niceties, that's great. I don't need them, and I don't feel I should have to pay for them to get a great chassis.
The whole point of this argument is why the ATS-V probably won't have a V8, and that's because most of the buyers who will be able to afford one are not interested in pushrod V8s. While the guys most likely to be intersted in a Camaro certainly will be.
I think it's too early to tell if the ATS-V will have a V8 or turbo V6. GM is targeting the 328i with the ATS. If they succeed in taking BMW buyers away from the holy 3-series, then they are certainly going to target the M3 with the ATS-V. And will likely give it all the specifications (including a turbo6) to compete with it.
If the ATS doesn't stack up well against the 328 and 335, then I think there will be little point in having the ATS-V chase the M3, and in that case, the V will be more likely to get the LT1.
This is my theory, and I am sticking to it. If you guys want an LT1 powered ATS-V, then pray the ATS doesn't compete well with the 3-series.
Keep on making things up out of whole cloth and twisting every which way to dodge the truth. You make no sense and your attitude has been exposed.