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Thread: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    You guys like V8's again.
    So this isn't a 3 Series Turbo 6 thread after all.

    Next time you even think Turbo 6, go crack open the throttle on your V (preferably with the windows down).
    Let the ATS-V be a real car, on its own terms, defining it's own class, not a 3 series wana-be.
    Cadillac needs to aim higher, they have the stuff to do it.


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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    I never, ever said I wanted a turbo6. I said we will eventually have to accept it.

    For a few of us, V8 > V6. For almost everyone else in the world, it's the other way.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I never, ever said I wanted a turbo6. I said we will eventually have to accept it.

    For a few of us, V8 > V6. For almost everyone else in the world, it's the other way.
    The only place for V8's for the last decade sans 1 or 2 apperances in performance models has been in SUV's and pickup trucks anyway, and even Ford has started the transistion with Ecoboost F150's--and look how successful that powertrains been in a market that almost demands a very simple and easy to mantian/repair design?

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    V6 is just a compromise many have learned to accept.
    Untill technology advances further, a V8 gives the most performance and reliability, in a heavy street car, than any other cost competetive engine configuration.
    A V6 could be amazing, for an unlimited budget, but the LS V8 is already amazing.

    Let Cadillac focus their resoursces on the chassis, instead of wasting time on developing a new underperforming engine.
    Just add DI and the LS is good to go with 500HP NA.
    Put it in the right chassis and hold on.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    All you V6 supporters should be happy with the non V models as most of the population is.
    A V car is for those who want, and appreciate, something that is over the top.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Quote Originally Posted by lunarx View Post
    All you V6 supporters should be happy with the non V models as most of the population is.
    A V car is for those who want, and appreciate, something that is over the top.
    I do not believe there are any supporters here.. there are only people that recognize inescapeable eventualities.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Those eventualities are already here in mainstream cars.
    Nothing wrong with cars for the masses.
    The V is supposed to be an escape from the mainstream.

    Is it better for sales if the V goes mainstream?
    Why not make the watered down V the base model, to improve overall sales?
    Then let the V be something special.
    Isn't that what BMW did with the 330?
    It worked BTW.

    I would never want to buy a V6 V-Series Cadillac, because it is not what I expect from a model line that is supposed to offer high-end technology.
    I can get mediocre somewhere else.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    that's your opinion. Many car enthusiasts would consider the LS3, even LS9 to be old technology, and would not be interested in it. They would rather see 400hp bi-turbo quad-cam V6 than a naturally aspirated ohv 450 hp V8.

    I think different levels of V would be great. Or at least different engine choices. Given the limited production aspect of the V, that seems unlikely though.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Sounds like a pitch to resurect the SHO.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    I think that already happened.

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I think that already happened.
    No freakin' way...?
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    If they take away our V8's we'll have to push for V12's. At least they can share parts with the V6's....

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Imagine the cost of a valve job on a multivalve V12

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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Quote Originally Posted by lunarx View Post
    ... Let the ATS-V be a real car, on its own terms, defining it's own class, not a 3 series wana-be. ...
    Quote Originally Posted by lunarx View Post
    ... Let Cadillac focus their resoursces on the chassis, instead of wasting time on developing a new underperforming engine.
    Just add DI and the LS is good to go with 500HP NA. ...
    Ernie, these are very persuasive arguments, I gotta admit.

    A 470 hp LS motor would not disappoint me at all. It's just that it's getting closer to a time when a V6TT will start showing up in GM's offering. Will it be with the ATS-V? I dunno. Either way, I'm saving my pennies.
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    Re: Cadillac ATS-V - Twin Turbo V6

    Met a guy today that works on the ATS at GM. We were both on the Fall Cruise that Torxila (George) posted a thread about. This guy wouldn't reveal any info but did say that he couldn't believe that Akerson actually told the public what motor would be going into the ATS-V in an interview or some public statement. He nonetheless could not come right out and say what it is.

    So, I searched for information on his statement and found two interesting items. The first one is the 6.2L with 470 hp as we've mentioned above. The other speaks of 530 hp but a little less directly:

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...y-dan-akerson/ Now, THAT would be some serious horsepower!


    If anyone can find a different quote by Akerson that's more to the point than what I've found, post it up please.


    Another very interesting tidbit, besides his confirmation that a manual trans would be offered, was a discussion we had regarding weight. "This guy" says he was personally very pleased with how they kept the weight down ... "significantly less than the current CTS." Though he wouldn't say exactly and less than the current CTS still means oink oink, I still got the distinct impression that it was in the neighborhood of 3700 lbs, maybe something approaching 3600 lbs. I'd take anything in between. Imagine a car weighing, say, 3650 lbs (give or take) and 470 hp with a 6-spd and a warranty. Hot damn!


    Heresay, heresay ... I know, I know, but I just had to post this up.
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