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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    50/50 weight distribution ftmfw


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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigjimsho
    That's impressive, if true. How can it weigh so little when the Regal is a relative porker?

    That's why I've had a hard time with 3,400...
    Eliminating traditional assembly materials like molded plastic door panels, steel motor mounts and carefully selecting items like type of insulation, seat motors, batteries, etc.

    Mazda has done something similar with the Miata since its inception, fussing over the weight of everything from the muffler to the shift knob (which went through over 100 variations to find the lightest one possible that still gave good shift feel)

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    “Low weight gives the ATS a more nimble and controllable feel, while also optimizing the performance and efficiency of the powertrains,” said David Masch, ATS chief engineer. “But we were careful to manage the weight while maintaining Cadillac’s signature levels of refinement.”

    Optimizing the ATS’s mass was the result of a four-pronged philosophy that included strict adherence to original architectural goals, measured load management throughout the vehicle, benchmarking components to see if lighter solutions were available and an overall culture that “weighed” the mass of every component in the car against all aspects of its development.

    An aluminum hood, magnesium engine mount brackets and even lightweight, natural-fiber door trim panels contribute to the ATS’s low overall mass – and reflect the systematic approach of evaluating every gram that went into the car. But some weight was deemed not only beneficial, but essential to the ATS’s driving experience. An example is the cast iron differential: Engineers found they could improve fuel economy with a cast iron differential rather than a lighter aluminum version.

    And while the rear suspension is mostly steel, the focus on load management and straight links enabled significant weight savings without using alternate materials. This helps offset the weight of the engine and transmission at the front of the vehicle, helping the ATS deliver its 50/50 weight balance, while also contributing to lower noise and vibration. A similar approach was taken on the wheels, where extra structural aluminum was strategically added to further reduce vibration.

    “We approached development by counting all the grams in the ATS,” said Masch. “We minimized them where we could and put them to the best use where they were needed.”

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    natural fiber door panels? Interesting..

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    So when you buyin' an ATS, Jimmeh?

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    I need a four-pronged philosophy...

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    I am due for a new car, aren't I? lulz

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    I'm waiting for the V. I am starting to make my peace with a turbo V6. Especially if it is bi-turbo like the 335i. Is that how it will likely be? Smaller turbo for low end torque and big turbo for big boost? Or will they be the same size?

    If it's 450 hp and 30 mpg I am all in. Struts or not. Crystal Red. The only thing I miss about my CTS4 is the color.

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    I miss the tossability of my V1. If I still have my V2 when the ATS-V comes out, I may switch...

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I am due for a new car, aren't I? lulz

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    I'm waiting for the V. I am starting to make my peace with a turbo V6. Especially if it is bi-turbo like the 335i. Is that how it will likely be? Smaller turbo for low end torque and big turbo for big boost? Or will they be the same size?

    If it's 450 hp and 30 mpg I am all in. Struts or not. Crystal Red. The only thing I miss about my CTS4 is the color.
    If they use it(whaver engine they decide to use) in more than the ATS-V so that there's a good amount of aftermarket, I won't mind one either. That's where my roots are anyway..

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by M5eater View Post
    If they use it(whaver engine they decide to use) in more than the ATS-V so that there's a good amount of aftermarket, I won't mind one either. That's where my roots are anyway..
    That brings up the issue of volume for an ATS-V. Could it be as exclusive as Gen 1 CTS-Vs? ... < 4k units each MY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    That brings up the issue of volume for an ATS-V. Could it be as exclusive as Gen 1 CTS-Vs? ... < 4k units each MY?
    that's a pipe dream..

    here's a question; how many e90 m3s are there in the world

    answer; 60-70k *and* that's fewer numbers than what the e46 we're produced in


    that's what the ats-v is targeting for, actually, if you want a rare one, pickup a sedan. <7k e90 sedans will ever be made

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    I heard a GM rep on local news say that it would be priced, not lower than, but right with its intended competition.

    What would that make the ATS-V cost if the M3 is that "competition?" Low $50ks?
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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    I heard a GM rep on local news say that it would be priced, not lower than, but right with its intended competition.

    What would that make the ATS-V cost if the M3 is that "competition?" Low $50ks?
    BMW released the configurations for the F30 today. 328i goes as high as $55k, 335i goes to $60k and that's without AWD or "M-Sport" so expect the M3 to START at $60k. So ATS-V will be the same.

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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by 0AT E03 View Post
    BMW released the configurations for the F30 today. 328i goes as high as $55k, 335i goes to $60k and that's without AWD or "M-Sport" so expect the M3 to START at $60k. So ATS-V will be the same.
    I'm sure Cadillac will undercut the M3 but at least a few thousand dollars...

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyH View Post
    I'm waiting for the V. I am starting to make my peace with a turbo V6. Especially if it is bi-turbo like the 335i. Is that how it will likely be? Smaller turbo for low end torque and big turbo for big boost? Or will they be the same size?
    It will likely be two small turbos, the same size, to keep lag down.
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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about...

    I'm pretty confident the ATS will be very competitive in it's class. I do think they've got the weight right where it needs to be.
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    Re: The Cadillac ATS is probably going to weigh about (part 2)

    If the ATS-V starts over $60k, that prices me out. Unless Cadillac's poor resale holds and I can pick one up a year old for $40k.


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