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IF the Cadillac ATS-V gets a V8...

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#1 ·
...it'll be naturally aspirated - no supercharger or turbo (unless plans change). It still appears as if the ATS-V will get the twin turbo 3.0 liter direct injected V6. Either way, I'm thinking this doesn't sound too good for people who want a small Cadillac to compete with the new BMW M3 and cars like it. The ATS-V is probably not going to be a whole lot lighter than the CTS-V - but it'll have probably 100 less horsepower. GM may surprise us, though...
 
#54 ·
Nothing new to post, just thinking that this reminds me of a few years ago with all the speculation that went into the powerplant and hp rating that the V2 was going to have. Hardly anyone speculated that it would be as high as 556 hp ... we were rather pleased to put it mildly.

My point is, it was lots of fun tossing out numbers just as it is now. Anticipation. That's what made it fun. Just like now. It's going to be good, we just don't know how good.
 
#55 ·
Looking at the ATS on the display stand at the Philly auto show on friday I just can't see a V8 being put into it. Not with all the other competitors downsizing their engines. But the pre-production review in the March Car and Driver mentions a Corvette V8 will fit. I think GM hasn't decided yet. BTW, the ATS look great in person, much better than the photos.
 
#57 ·
... The TT V6 is actually physically larger than the SBC V8.
I'd believe it.

Packaging is probably one of the reasons the SBC V8 has stayed around this long. Take the cam(s) out of the block and put them on top of the heads plus all the FI plumbing and you're bumping into the envelope.
 
#58 ·
I may have already mentioned this but since the 3.6 liter directed injected V6 is going to compete with the 335i, there's not going to be a TT V6 in a regular ATS - so I'm almost positive it'll be going into the ATS-V. There's really no need for a V8 here but I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see one.
 
#61 ·
M5eater said:
Honestly? That really sucks. the N55 and N54 are such good engines stock and they have large aftermarket. Sticking with a N/A V6 ensures aftermarket for the ATS will be limited to the V and 2.0T..
They could certainly put the 400+ horsepower TT V6 in a non-V ATS but that would compete closely with the M3. What would the ATS-V compete with then? It would be way overkill for the M3 and not a hell of a lot better than the TT ATS - which would be easily modified faster than the ATS-V.

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******* said:
The 2.0T is going to be the performance car. 270 HP with a 6-Speed Manual, The extra 50 HP of the V6 will easily be overcome with the aftermarket.

The 2.0T is where it is at.
I believe that. There will surely be ways to boost that engine up to around 400 horsepower or so.
 
#63 ·
JimmyH said:
I think most of us want a V8 ATS-V. And I think we must accept we are probably not going to get one.
Hopefully GM's TT V6 turns out to be a winner. A high performance TT V6 Camaro has been in the plans for at least five years so I'm sure they've been testing it a long time. I wish I knew what the latest delays are all about.
 
#66 ·
Probably too much to ask for, but it would be interesting to imagine a TT 3.6 in the ATS-V, and a supercharged V8 in an ATS-VR, the latter being a limited production halo car.

Okay, back to reality ...
 
#72 ·
Probably wrong thead to post this, but it was pretty cool seeing the ATS ad GM ran in the Super Bowl last night. Could've sworn both those inside tires were off the pavement during that the slo-mo part.
They were, I enjoyed everyone's reaction to it. I like seeing people think of a Cadillac as "basass" way more than dealing with the "that's an old man car" reaction.
 
#81 ·
Since the next gen Camaro will be on Alpha, wouln'd it be likely to see the same engine palette throughout the Alpha series?
I wouldn't even be surprised to see the 2.0L Turbo going into the Alpha CTS as base engine.
And therefore also a V8 for the ATS-V...?
The 3.0TT will finally be a gapfiller between 3.6 and V people have been asking about since CTS gen1. ATS/CTS sport? I mean, between 320 and 560hp is a whole world in which the competition offers models as well. At least for the CTS. The next F10 540i (and F12 640i, F01 740i) will be a 350hp 3.0L 6cil TT.

Although, I understood BMW F30 M3 will go 3.5L 6cil TT?

Another NTK is the M5 diesel!

Anyway, to get a picture of the BMW competition:


1-series (F20)
-3-door
-5-door
-Touring
-Coupé
-Cabrio and
-GT
Petrol (only Turbos!):
115i, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 100 PS
116i, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 125 PS
118i, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 150 PS
120i, 1,6 Liter, 4-cil , 175 PS
123i, 1,6 Liter, 4-cil, 200 PS
125i, 2,0 Liter, 4-cil , 225 PS
128i, 2,0 Liter, 4-cil, 250 PS
130i, 2,0 Liter, 4-cil, 275 PS
135i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
M1, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
Diesel:
115d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 100 PS
116d, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 125 PS
118d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
120d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
123d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
125d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
130d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS

3-series (F30)
-Sedan
-Coupé
-Cabrio
-Touring and
-GT
Petrol (only Turbos!):
316i, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 125 PS
318i, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
320i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
323i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
325i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
328i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
330i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
335i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
340i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
M3, 3,5 Liter, 6-Cil, 450 PS
Diesel:
316d, 1,2 Liter, 3-cil, 125 PS
318d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
320d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
323d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
325d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
330d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
335d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS

5-series (F10) LCI
Sedan and Touring
Petrol (only Turbos!):
520i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
523i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
525i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
528i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
530i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
535i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
540i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
545i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 410 PS
550i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 470 PS
M5, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 580 PS
Diesel:
520d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
523d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
525d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
530d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
535d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
540d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 340 PS

6-series (F12)
Cabrio, Coupé and GranCoupe
Petrol (only Turbos):
630i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 275 PS
635i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
640i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
645i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 410 PS
650i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 470 PS
M6, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 580 PS
Diesel:
635d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
640d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 340 PS

7-series (F01) LCI
Petrol (only Turbos):
725i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
728i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
730i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 275 PS
735i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
740i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
745i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 410 PS
750i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 470 PS
760i, 6,0 Liter, 12-Cil, 550 PS
M7, 6,0 Liter, 12-Cil, 650 PS
Diesel:
725d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
730d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
735d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
740d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 340 PS

X1 (E84) LCI
Petrol (only Turbos):
x18i, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
x20i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
x23i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
x25i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
x28i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
x30i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
x35i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
x1M, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS

Diesel:
x18d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
x20d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
x23d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
x25d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
x30d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS

X3 (F25)
Petrol (only Turbos):
x18i, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
x20i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
x23i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
x25i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
x28i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
x30i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
x35i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
x40i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
X3M, 3,5 Liter, 6-Cil, 450 PS
Diesel:
x18d, 1,2 Liter, 3-Cil, 150 PS
x20d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
x23d, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
x25d, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
x30d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
x35d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS

X5 (F35)
Petrol (only Turbos):
x30i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
x35i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
x40i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
x45i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 410 PS
x50i, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 470 PS
X5M, 4,4 Liter, 8-Cil, 555 PS
Diesel:
x30d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 250 PS
x35d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 300 PS
x40d, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 340 PS

Z4 (E89) LCI
s20i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 175 PS
s23i, 1,6 Liter, 4-Cil, 200 PS
s25i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 225 PS
s28i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 250 PS
s30i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 275 PS
s35i, 2,0 Liter, 4-Cil, 300 PS
s40i, 3,0 Liter, 6-Cil, 350 PS
Z4M, 3,5 Liter, 6-Cil, 450 PS
 
#83 ·
Engine choices are simple for the ATS and the CTS as well.

The ATS as we know has:

2.5L I4 - 205 HP
2.0T I4 - 270 HP
3.6L V6 - 320 HP
6.2L V8 - 470-480 HP (V-series) - my guess

The CTS will logically have:

2.0T I4 - 270 HP
3.6L V6 - 320 HP
3.0TT V6 - 370-400 HP - I think there are two TT's the LF3 (a 3.0) and the LF4 (a 3.6). The LF4 I think is a 2016, while the LF3 is a 2014 Engine.
6.2L SC - 550-600 HP - V-Series

I'm thinking the Alpha Camaro is going to ditch a V6. I mean they almost did it with the Zeta Camaro, and with the LTG (2.0T) putting down 270 HP there is NO NEED to have an NA V6. So that would make the Alpha Camaro:

2.0T I4 - 270 HP
6.2L V6 - 470-480 HP

If they do another ZL1
6.2L SC - 550-600 HP

Assuming the Alpha Camaro isn't ugly, I'd buy a 2.0T Camaro with a 6-speed (TR3160 please).
 
#84 ·
You would think with the 335i having a detuned turbo6, Cadillac would do the same for the ATS. If they truly want to go head to head with BMW, that is what they need to do. ATS Standard, performance, premium, and add a new tier with the turbo6. Then the V with a V8.

As for the Camaro, there are plenty of LT guys who are into modding. I don't think GM was prepared for that. So it would make sense to give them the 2.0T if it's going to be as tune-able as everyone is claiming. But, it will HAVE to sound GOOD. Those guys won't buy a Camaro if it has that old-school 4-banger soundtrack.
 
#96 ·
You are right for now. But it is not period. Just wait and see.
;)
 
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