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Old 12-20-06, 12:55 AM
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It was just this evening, five o'clock, foggily wet, semi-dark and rainy, and he didn't have his lights on. I was sitting in a school parking lot about to pull out onto a parkway - I had just picked my sister up from school. I sat there a good ten seconds to make sure that there was no traffic anywhere (I like to have both lanes clear, because my Brougham makes such wide turns). So I pull out everything is silent and fine. Then all of a sudden, when I'm halfway angled into the street, a little blue '95 Hayundi swipes into my driver door. No lights, no brakes, not even the blow of his horn. I immediately get over into a dogleg to pull into a nearby McDonald's parking lot. I look in my rear-view mirror to make sure they follow, but they are still sitting still in the middle of the street. The wife gets out and runs down the street, I assume to talk to me. So I put her in park and push the e-flashers and get out to talk to her. She says "Insurance, insurance...give me your insurance." She was about to write it on arm, but I say, "well let's at least pull over, OK?" So she runs back hesitantly, and get in the car to pull it into McDonald's. Once we all get out, I ask, "Is everyone OK? No one's hurt?" The wife says "No. Could I see your insurance. Now at this time I knew it wasn't my fault and the situation seemed a little eerie, so I say "Well just let me call the police." So I do, after all, I just wanted to do the right thing to make sure everything was legal. So the officer arrives, a friendly guy. His first words were "Is anyone hurt" and of course no one was. Then the officer proceeds to ask the husband of his story, but he cannot speak any English, so his wife and daughter help translate. After that, the officer asks to speak with me, so I tell him:

"Well I was pulling out after checking all directions and then they hit me while I was angled in the street, still turning."

"What lane were you entering?" he asks.

"The right one. But I made sure both lanes were clear, since this cars makes such wide turns." I reply, drawing it in the air with fingers.

"OK You think you were over the line?" he questions.

"Possibly; I was still cross-wise in the middle of the street and they kinda t-boned me at an angle. That's why I made sure both lanes were clear." I repond.

Then the officer went to his car for about twenty minutes. I sat there worrying about who's going to pay for the damage, because I have 39 cents in my bank account. After some time, he got out again and continued to speak to the family in the other car. Then after he was done, he came over to me with some papers. This time I was sitting in car. He asked the usual questions, "how old are you?" "What's your full name?" etc. Then I remembered: his lights were not on. So I proceeded to inform the officer of that.

"Also, I forgot to mention it, but their lights were not on." I suggest.

"Well why didn't you tell me this earlier?" he says sternly.

"Well, I just forgot. I'm sorry." I timidly reply

"That's a pretty important piece of information to leave out for the last minute" he angrily replies.

"I'm sorry" I say.

Then the officer gets back in his car and writes down some more stuff. After a minute or two he begins to speak with the driver who now sits in his driver seat, the rest of the family sitting in the car. I try not to listen as the officer interrigates him. "OK this translating business ins't going to work!" he commands, "You, [to the daughter] tell him what I ask and give me his response." The daughter is the only one who can really speak English fluently. The officer asks some more questions about the lights; then I hear the husband uproar in his native tongue something belligerent sounding. The officer tries to control the situation, while I try not to listen. The wife gets out of the front passenger door I assume to help, but is halted by a stern voice, "Ma'am get back in the car," she tries to say something. "Ma'am, I gonna have to ask you to get back in the car and shut the door!" She does, and the interrigation continues. After a minute or two, she dares out of the car again, this time to speak with me. She carries a notepad full of information, all the way to my mother's maiden name...literally!

"You phone number. Could you give me your phone number?" she asks.

"Umm, well, sure I guess." I respond questionatively.

So I write my number on her pad as I eyeball all that personal info she has of mine. I am quite concerned. Then she tells me more:

"Yeah. Someone hit us in the same place," she points to the dent that was supposedly caused when her husband hit me. "Someone hit us there and didn't pay." she remarks. (so apparently the car was already wrecked before they hit me)

"Oh" I respond disinterested.

She walks back to her car and I am thoroughly disappointed with the course of events that have ocurred. For another time, the officer comes to speak with me:

"OK. So you say his lights were not on?" he asks.

"That's correct." I reply

"Well how could you tell the lights were not on?" he asks.

"Well when I saw him, his lights were not on." I say.

"If you saw him, why did you pull out in front of him?" he asks accusingly.

"No. I mean, when I saw him after he hit me, the lights were off." I reply.

"When did you see him?" he rhetorically asks(I just told him).

"After he hit me, when he was between the curb and me, and after I pulled away and looked in the rear view mirror." I explain.

"Well this call came in at 5 o'clock. You didn't see him?" he sternly asks.

"Not that I could see." I respond.

"Well it still wasn't that dark, but you didn't see him, right?" He interrogates me.

"Well, no, I didn't" I reply.

So he proceeds to gives me some paperwork and a citation, of all things!!

"OK on this paper is my name, the date , and the report number. If you need to get a copy of the report, you call this number." He gives me the slip and proceeds. "Now I need you to sign this citation for failure to render right of way, saying you will be in court on this day. It doesn't say you're guilty, but you need to be there." So I relunctantly sign it, thinking 'what is happening in to me????' The he gives me another slip: "On this it gives you instructions on the defensive driving course and deferred ajudication if you choose to go with one of those options. Do you have any questions?"

"Well, no," I reply, "this is just my first time to go through this kind of thing."

He obliges and walks off. Everone goes home and I am typing this.

SUSPICIOUS NOTES:
  • I called the police to make sure eveything would be fine. And they return the favor with a ticket!
  • She ran out and rushed me to give her my insurance.
  • She discouraged me from calling the police several times.
  • She tells me the car has been hit in that spot before.
  • The car's lights were OFF.
  • There was no honking of his horn.
  • They "didn't have time to brake" as he says, but I was in the intersection for a while (4 sec) before the crash.

HERE'S the DAMAGE: (click to enlarge)



As far as I can tell there is no paint damage and the scuffs will come off with a good scrubbing. But what do I do about the dents. Can I take panel off and just pop them out? There's dents on the driver door and front-left quater panel. Also the plastic trim is pushed in. Is that sill good? I don't have any money and it looks like I'll be in the negative for quite some time. Is there a way for me to fix this w/o paying a shop the minimum fee of $700 per repair?
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

I would go into a tirade about undocumented individuals ... but at this time I'l simply offer my condolences, and encouragement to get her back in shape ASAP.
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Old 12-20-06, 06:26 AM
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

You're likely in for a long, drawn out legal battle, but if what you say is true you'll win. Good luck..
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Hope it works out!
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Old 12-20-06, 10:43 AM
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

Oh man this sucks! Another classic Brougham gets nailed. The cop had the right to be upset with you for turning into the right lane, even though everyone does that you're still supposed to turn into the first lane and then signal over, but that's one small infraction against you. Of course the other car not having their lights on is a bigger mark against them. I hope this doesn't drag out too long for you. The fender might be able to be popped out, but if not, fenders aren't horribly expensive for new ones, I think around $450 on rockauto. Harder to find in a junkyard since only 90-92 parts cars will fit. Good luck!
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

Sorry about your accident. You might want to look into paintless dent repair. Do a search. It depends on certain factors, but if the dents aren't too bad and the paint isn't scraped off or anything you might save a little money with PDR.
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

The cop should have checked the headlight filaments if the lights were broken!
I saw this type of crash a few years ago and the driver who claimed somebody who "pulled out in front of him without warning" was actually mousetrapped because the bastard was driving without lights!
The cop found the shattered headlights with the filaments intact!
That led to a ticket with the additional charge of FILING A FALSE POLICE REPORT! (LOL!)
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Old 12-20-06, 04:58 PM
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

This is why I turn my lights on no matter what. Even in super sunny weather, other cars can see you faster, even if it's milliseconds. The easier you make it for others to see you, the better. It boggles my mind how people will not turn on their lights just because it's daylight and you can see, even though it might be rainy and low visibility.

My condolences on your car dude. I hope you manage to make a case for yourself. Buy a newspaper for the weather report and anything showing the foggy conditions.

I'm glad my province in no-fault insurance.

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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

That does suck. I feel for you. I wouldn't touch the damage until the insurance problem is settled. You're insurance company should fight for you.

Explain the story to them as clearly as possible and they'll go after the other drivers ins company. I think you'll be fine.
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

I was actually turning right, into the right lane...then I was going to signal over. But when you're turning out of a private drive, the front left corner of the car sometimes spills over the line just long enough to get straightened up. That's when it happened. And though his passenger headlight housing was broken, both his bulbs were intact for sure. He was just an idiot.
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That can be tapped out to look better, but I doubt you'll get it looking perfect. Best bet would be to pull the panel off and lay it down in the grass. Come at it from behind with a small rounded hammer. Hit gently.
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

If you're going to try to fix it yourself I'd go to Sears and get a hammer and dolly set. Tapping it with a round hammer is only going to create out dents all over the place.
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

That's terrible. I have to tell you, the cops and the insurance company suck. My mom borrowed my brougham a few weeks after i bought it. On the highway she got rear-ended when traffic jacked up. There was no real cosmetic damage to my car. The rear bumper was bend downward from the force, but no dents or scratches, surprisingly. Later it turned out that they had finished off my decaying exhaust system, which was rusted, but not broken, and had put a leak in my gas tank.

Now, this guy rear ended me, and i learned that when you rear-end someone, it's your fault, and you pay. I'd like someone to tell me why i ended up paying for the exhaust parts, doing the repairs myself, and getting the bumper fixed for free by calling in a favor to some friends at a body shop. I didn't see a cent from that jackass, and the insurance company didn't want to hear from me because i wasn't the one driving the car at the time, and my mom lacked the aggression to pursue the matter.

If i were driving and got rear ended, i tell you, i think i'd have a pretty bad neck injury.

Good luck with your situation though. I hear those fix-a-dent things work good. They sell them at auto zones and whatnot.
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

Well the good news first: your car isn't totaled and the accident (in my eyes anyways) isn't your fault. The damage is quite minor actually, less than when that Del Sol backed up into my driver's door.

The bad news: this sounds like a rather complicated situation that could be a legal mess. It sounds very shady on their side.
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Re: My poor sweet baby Brougham...WRECKED!!!

I won't get into a big long thing here, but after two rear-ender accidents in 5 years (one bad, one light), the BIG thing you must know and get used to is that to ever get anything done and accomplished--especially if you're the innocent one.

Assume nothing. Give no one the benefit of the doubt. Be at the top of your game as much as possible, because insurance companies will call and try to lightly suggest things you did that never happened, etc. AND, by far, even though you're not in the best frame of mind at the accident scene, be an absolute pit bull in reporting the facts (i.e., lights weren't on and you checked multiple times before THEY hit you out of nowhere).

In this case, between their lights not being on, the lady's jumping your ass for information after they hit you, not speaking English (from local knowledge, this can be a HUGE factor in cases like this), etc., you're going to get screwed 3 ways to Sunday. From the talk of defensive driving school already, sounds like you're well on your way to that--as sad as it may be.
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