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1985-1996 Fleetwood and Brougham Forum Discussion, Lookie What I got! in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; well... I didn't exactly build it as a drag car, Kev. It's an all around daily driver that occaisionally makes ...
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    well... I didn't exactly build it as a drag car, Kev. It's an all around daily driver that occaisionally makes it to the track. For that purpose, the T56 suits me just fine. (And I can't WAIT to autocross it this year!!!!!)

    Besides, at the track, I run it how I drive it. No airing down the tires, no taking off the belt, no icing the intake, none of that BS. It runs at full weight and in full street trim.

    To me it means more to get a good time that way anyways.

    But I'll keep you posted on how it does.
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    If it was all about ET's you may not have started with a fleetwood in the first place. I think its awesome, definitely a one of a kind.
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    You don't even want to know what I think!
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    I definately agree with running the car in FULL STREET trim. That way I know what it'll do at any given moment. I don't want to know that in order to get the same times, I have to do a half-hours worth of work. I do lower the tire pressure slightly though. Plus I figure that if I pulled a 14.5 WITHOUT doing anything special, that means that I still have some better times possible with a couple more little things like pulling the belt, fresh set of plugs, better fuel, etc.

    And I'm sorry if I incorrectly assummed that you were doing these mods for better performance. I could swear I remember you making statements about how these mods would be making the car much faster/quicker. If not, sorry.
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    Kevin, I have modded it for performance, you;re right. But not all for straight line stuff. Where's the fun in that?

    KC... Why don't I want to know what you think?
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    Personally, I think you ruined a perfectly good Cadillac....But it yours so ruin it!
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    Will this affect the resale value or not. Maybe because it is like one of a kind, the value will go up?
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    NOT!

    Unfortunately, as soon as you start substantial mods like that, the average resale value goes in the toilet. The only chance you might have is to find that one in a million guy that's as into these cars from a customizing aspect as Bill is. And I would say it's pretty obvious that there's little chance of that

    It really doesn't matter anyway since anyone that's ever done serious customizing will tell you that they're not doing it for resale. They're doing just "because". You CAN make money on some cars with subtle mods but the best bet for resale is always keeping it stock.

    The only way to make money modding cars is to do it to "other people's" cars for money. Let them worry about the resale, and you still get paid. As soon as it's YOUR money, you're done. It's just for love.
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    I agree with you Kevin, And THAT'S why I say, It's your car....if you want to do that to it.....Knock yourself out! I certainly wouldn't! BUT, It's not mine.
    I do mods on other peoples stuff every day that I wouldn't even dream of doing to mine. (some of it's pretty horrible) I just hold my mud and tell them it looks great ( No matter what I really think ) and then I get PAID! If they take a $ 20,000 vehicle and spend another $15,000 on it to make it worth $5,000, What do I care? I get paid to do what they want....Not to be a critic! If I said what I really think of a lot of the stuff that gets done in my shop....I wouldn't be as busy as I am right now!
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    You can tell who's in the business and who's not huh?
    I can only speak for myself but I'd be willing to bet that KC also speaks from EXPERIENCE on this topic. I know I've lost money on cars like that before.
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    Also Kevin, Pertaining to this particular situation, I think the desired effect is going to prove evasive. We want to improve our E/T's and 0/60's So we put a tranny in that can't possibly shift as quickly as an auto with the right setup. I just think that the whole thing is going to be counterproductive. As well as devaluing the car. That's my opinion and I'll be interested in seeing the results when they get here....It would be interesting to be proven wrong here. But with all I know about transmissions with the current technology available the automatics just shift faster than you can without the momentary release of the throttle that's generally associated with a manual shift.....
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    I TOTALLY AGREE!
    The LT1 in the Caddy is totally wrong for a 6-speed manual. It might prove fun but in the end, all you did was slow the car down. A "properly" setup automatic will dog a manual everytime. On the upside, it MAY make it a little better on an autocross course. since the trans could help make-up for the terribly inadequate brakes.
    But realistically, why anyone wants to autocross a 4400lb. car is beyond me.
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    But c'mon guys... How fun is it to drive an automatic? Really?

    BO-Ring!!!!

    And I'm personalizing the car the way I want it. Doesn't make it wrong or right, but I did it. So there.

    Resale value went through the shitter with this mod, but who cares? Not me. I didn't build it to increase the resale value, I built it to increase the fun of the driving experience!!! And it did just that.

    And KC, I can respect your opinion, but I do have to let you know that of all the people who know of me doing this, you are the only one to say anything negative. Not that I care, or that you care that I care... But I just thought you should know.

    All you have to do is take a look at the monster smile on my face every time I get out of the car to know that this was the right thing for ME.

    <---- I've looked like that since Saturday!
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    And that was my point! I ain't slammin' you....But you asked me what I was thinkin.....
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    Be careful what you ask for.
    Bill,
    Actually, I think you're looking at the issue VERY optimistically. Obviously neither cost, nor technical complexity are the reason nobody has done that mod to a Cadillac. I think the reason is common sense. I think it's just that nobody WANTED to. In a round about way, I've made mention of some of your mods being counter-productive and a little extreme. But since I've been talking to you about Caddys for awhile, I figured I'm not gonna pee on your parade. KC said it like it is, but even though he's scratching his head (as am I) over WHY you did it to a Caddy, I'm sure he's MORE than supportive of your right to do it.
    Hey that's what it's all about, having fun in your own way with your car. It doesn't have to make sense to anyone other than you.
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