Oh Oh, that Talisman is worse than I expected. That is the kind of cancer that scares the crap out of me. It will be almost impossible to stay ahead of that. It needs professional restoration work right now to even think about saving it. Your convertible looks very solid. I predict 100% of us will tell you to keep your convertible. I have a convertible and I never ever put the top up, I love the fresh air too much.
My god... please... don't trade. That Talisman is a parts car.
The Hagerty price is only for a condition 3. Two and one (serious 99 point show cars) are higher. It should be accurate, it is based on actual sales.
That Talisman is good as a beater or parts. The only thing that should even be considered for a trade with it is something in the same condition.
The Hagerty price is out to lunch. $20K is the high end of pricing for them. If it's based on sales they're slapping a nice percentage on top to come up with their prices.
I think people are being harsh on the Talisman. I've seen 74-76 Fleetwoods easily go for over $10,000 in nice condition, and they weren't Talismans. Convertibles in similar condition don't necessarily go for more. I've got offers for my 76 in the $10,000 range, but I don't care because I'll never sell it. I think the key question is: how rusty is it? You don't have to run from rust (if not excessive) if you're not going to make it a daily driver. I know some guys who got collectible cars 15+ years ago with moderate rust and fixed them up and they have never degraded. So long as they aren't being driven in salty winters or excessive rain and are being garage kept, time will almost stand still for them. Bad rust is one thing, but mild rust is something else. Also, some people with these vehicles in the "horrible" northeast bought them with preservation in mind. I bought my 76 in New Hampshire, but it was virtually rust-free because it had been treated as a collectible early in its life. I live in the Northeast and see older cars a lot - in the summer. Many here know better than to drive an old car they want preserved during the winter or on wet, murky days, so although the northeast may be a red flag, it does not mean you should automatically dismiss the car.
For me, what made Cadillac great was its devotion to luxury and excess, and the Fleetwood Talisman of that era was the epitome of excess and the end of cars of its kind. Those Talismans were roughly 234 inches long, 80 inches wide (any wider they would need running lights) and around 5200 pounds. True, the build quality is a bit sloppier than the 60s cars, but it is still a robust and solid vehicle, super comfortable, and really unique. I would actually own a Talisman, but you lose seating with those stupid middle consoles, and part of excess for me is being able to seat 6 people if I want. They should have made them removable. That convertible looks great, but I wouldn't dismiss the Talisman quite as easily as many others here. After all, it was the Cadillac of the Cadillac of Cadillacs!
Oh dear, left my computer for a while and posted my post before seeing those pictures. It should be restored, not junked, but is definitely not worth trading your convertible. Poor Talisman! That rust under the back window is typical, spreads like a cancer, and is difficult to fix. Better luck next time.
As someone who has restored a car with severe rust issues, all I can say is, DON'T! You'll lose your shirt and still won't end up with as nice a car as you have now. Be patient. The Talisman package was rare, but they do come up, and in far better condition.
Keep your car, make a low cash offer on the Talisman.
Sure the Talismans were unique, but the 68-70 DeVille Convertibles (and 65-67 as well, even though they lack the 472) are extremely desirable Cadillacs. the interiors are gorgeous, they have nearly every amenity that the later cars had (and that some modern cars still do not have) and their body lines just look great.
These were the ultimate develpment of the full size convertible and they didn't have all that engine strangulation for emissions and fuel mileage that 1971 & up cars had.
I Like Fleetwoods. My two most favored body styles are RWD Convertibles (DeVilles and pre 67 ElDoados), and Fleewwood Broughams (and late 60s Sixty Specials). And when I saw the Talismans in the catalogs, I liked them but today they are not worth as much as a convertible in the same condition and this one is not in the same condition as the convertible.
Last edited by cadillacmike68; 08-05-14 at 09:00 PM.
That '67 is really cute.
The Talisman, not so much and it's hurting.
Last edited by Cadillac Giovanni; 08-06-14 at 08:25 PM.
I'll chip in for dessert!