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1985-1996 Fleetwood and Brougham Forum Discussion, This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Originally Posted by jamespowers Engine still in but with the one year only junk frame like that, what can you ...
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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    Quote Originally Posted by jamespowers View Post
    Engine still in but with the one year only junk frame like that, what can you expect? Do that with a 1959 Eldorado and see what happens. That hunk of crap Malibu would be blasted to Malibu. lol lol
    The frame in question:


    Hitting it at section four causes it to buckle because section 6 buckles either up or to the side. This is NOT what out Broughams drive on---obviously.

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    This is what gets me. Out here they keep trying to make people get rid of their big cars for smaller fuel efficient death traps. I can see the obvious reason now. You can't sell new cars that will get creamed by SUVs and big old cars. So you invent studies that show the tin can will hold up to an impact with a sledgehammer if you put bags of air in it and crumple zones like egg shells. Then you hire "non-profit" groups to produce staged crash tests instead of real life possible crashes like the above. Yes, I get it all now. It all makes nasty sense.......
    Holy Hell no wonder that thing bent in the middle... the engineer that thought that was a good idea shoulda been slapped hardily.

    I've been in small cars in accidents.... no thank you sir. Was hit from behind by a Lincoln Towne car and slung across an intersection like a rag doll. It's not about design or safety features or any of that other crap....big guy wins 99% of the time. If a semi hits me in my DeVille I'm dead and I know it, I don't care how many airbags it has or how good the crumple zones are.

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    I T-boned an Escort with one of my 1977 SDV's, that's pretty much how it goes down. Escort parts everywhere!

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    Ok, ok. No X frame (please ignore the narrator calling the Northstar a big block and the '62 15' long...):

    Riiiggghhhttt.... Another fraud where you take a car that was a total wreck rusting junker that is 51 years old and metal fatigued to the max and you put it against a car that is only 11 years old and has no corrosion on it at all. Great idea but we can see right off that the 1962 so corroded that the seat pulls free from the floor in the crash that makes it look like everything came into the passenger compartment when in fact, the seat and the crash dummy went forward due to the rotting floor giving up the seat. They mislead you into thinking that the dash and steering wheel came in. It didn't. You can see the damage was confined to the engine compartment and the passenger area was fine---even in a rust bucket 51 year old car. Nice try....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koooop View Post
    I T-boned an Escort with one of my 1977 SDV's, that's pretty much how it goes down. Escort parts everywhere!
    Ouch! Did the other guy make it?

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    A collision between a new Malibu and a 59 Impala with an X-frame is clearly unfair. And the old Cadillac hitting the newer Cadillac is unfair since the old Cadillac had clearly seen its better days and was no doubt compromised structurally. Today's cars are engineered to be much safer. Crumple zones to absorb impact, seat belts and seats anchored to prevent them moving coming loose, improved glass technology, side impact beams, engines that drop down to slide under the chassis in a collision, improved fuel tanks, and on and on are all wonderful undeniable advancements. How would be better off? In a new full-size car with all the modern technology. I would imagine that a Brougham-sized car would beat any new, small car with equal, modern safety engineering. The stubby hoods and rear-decks of today's cars don't provide much in the way of a crush zone.

    The Smart car is sturdy in a collision but because of the lack of crush zones bounces around a like super ball in a collision, clearly not good for the passengers. Blunt force trauma. Not only do bigger cars have better lines when designed to traditional styling standards but they would no doubt be safer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz-s1sIoLhU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGtWc4m8Z2E

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    Ok, I guess all these modern safety features are worthless and newer cars with good crash test ratings are death traps....

    Remember, the car that comes out of the accident looking better is not the car you want to be in. You want the vehicle, seat belts, and airbags to absorb as much of the impact energy as possible. You want the passenger compartment to be as strong as possible, everything in front of and behind that SHOULD be demolished after a major accident.

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    Quote Originally Posted by CBodyFan View Post
    The Smart car is sturdy in a collision but because of the lack of crush zones bounces around a like super ball in a collision, clearly not good for the passengers. Blunt force trauma. Not only do bigger cars have better lines when designed to traditional styling standards but they would no doubt be safer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz-s1sIoLhU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGtWc4m8Z2E
    That scares me. Ok, you bounce off something and then end up in another lane to get hit by something else---like a semi or three or four other cars as you bounce around.

    It seems CBS has a report that disagrees with just how safe smart cars are though:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tiny-car...d-crash-tests/

    I love how the moron says that they have an agenda against small cars when in fact they flunked and will kill you.

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    I agree MC, I couldn't care less what a car looks like after a hard crash as long as passenger compartment survives.
    Airbags alone have saved god knows how many lives. The safety features work well until a point when they are overwhelmed by physics of larger vehicle. I know they have adjusted tests over the years to improve designs but large vs small needs more emphasis.

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    Ok, I guess all these modern safety features are worthless and newer cars with good crash test ratings are death traps....

    Remember, the car that comes out of the accident looking better is not the car you want to be in. You want the vehicle, seat belts, and airbags to absorb as much of the impact energy as possible. You want the passenger compartment to be as strong as possible, everything in front of and behind that SHOULD be demolished after a major accident.
    You may want your car to disintegrate around you but I don't. I have crashed a 1957 Chevy, 1959 Oldsmobile and a 1957 GMC into modern cars over the last twenty years. I walked away from all of them. In fact, I drove away. I couldn't say the same for anything that took on my vehicles. I had to replace two fenders and a hood.

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    I hit a poor kids 87 Accord when I was in high school with my 92 F-150.

    I had nary a scratch.....his was totaled..

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    I was on my way to work early one morning and it was still dark, I live in a rural aera, I hit a deer in my 87 Brougham going about 70mph. It scared the crap out of me, but the headlights still worked so I never stopped. Got to work and when it was light enough inspected the car, and not even a scratch, a little fir stuck here and there but Zero damage. Any car made today would likely have a bent frame and the deer would probabley came through the windshield, people get killed more often than you think from hitting deer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoistCabbage View Post
    Ok, I guess all these modern safety features are worthless and newer cars with good crash test ratings are death traps....

    Remember, the car that comes out of the accident looking better is not the car you want to be in. You want the vehicle, seat belts, and airbags to absorb as much of the impact energy as possible. You want the passenger compartment to be as strong as possible, everything in front of and behind that SHOULD be demolished after a major accident.
    I know thats what they say, but once the floor buckles bones break. Provided you have your seat belt on a Brougham Id take my chance with it. Heck the bumpers has huge absorbers that holds them on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamespowers
    Ouch! Did the other guy make it?
    I hit him on his passenger side, he lived to tell about it.

    It did put the tiniest bend in my bumper, tore the rubber bumper pad and cracked a headlight bezel. Nothing $150 didn't fix.

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    All I would like to point out about the Old VS New car debate is that there are cars of every generation that are unsafe and there are cars of every generation that are safe.

    That being said, there is no typical sedan/truck/coupe on the market that I can think of that I would be afraid to take head-on in a game of chicken in my Cadillac (Aside from...you know, I don't feel like crashing my Cadillac)

    Accubuilt still touts the tale to this day of the time that one of their products (Specifically a Funeral Coach built by Superior) was T-boned by a large truck, traveling very fast. The funeral coach was pushed up, over a guardrail, in spite of weighing more than the truck that hit it. It plummeted right over the railing and tumbled/fell off of a cliff, landing 150 feet below, where it landed right-side-up.

    The engine turned right over and it was still able to drive (albeit the lamps and signals were shattered and I would wage that the radiator had been punctured, so how legal/effective it would be to drive is open for debate)

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    I like how the Brougham launched the nissan over 100 feet.

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    That appears to be a 77 SDV launching a pre 1981 B210.

    U need useless info? I got it.

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    Re: This is why I drive the Brougham over an Economy Car

    Sad thing is the SDV was a d'Elegance.

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