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1985-1996 Fleetwood and Brougham Forum Discussion, Yet another filler panel question in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Hi folks, im sure this is yet another question about the famous filler panels going bad and I did a ...
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    Yet another filler panel question

    Hi folks, im sure this is yet another question about the famous filler panels going bad and I did a quick search on the subject, but didn't really find an answer. The car is a 1991 Brougham (5.7). I need both rear quarter fillers as well as both of the ones around the tag. I ordered a set from E & K Bumper Fillers (www.sandkinindustries.com) and to be honest, I'm not so happy with the fit. I'll be the first to admit that I am rather picky about my caddy. I figured on a little mods to the plastic holes, but the body lines aren't right. (Ranging from 1/8"to about a 1/4") The question is have any of you guys found a place that produces the filler panels and installed them for a true correct fit? I can handle enlarging the mounting holes, but straight body lines are very important. Should i try for another set from this same company, or just try another company all together?

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    Couple things come to mind. Send them pics and to get your money back, take it to a body shop to see if they can use their tricks to line it up or buy stock fillers in good condition. The reviews on the aftermarket fillers have all been bad.

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    I'd send them pics and try to get my money back.

    I did see a nice fitting partial set on a junkyard car once, and have one of those fillers on my car (rears fit nice but were cracked due to being rear ended). I have no idea who made them though. they are black plastic (abs)

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    All repo fillers are worthless. They do not line up and do not fit properly. It is best to maybe salvage the ones you have or finding a nice set at the local salvage yard.

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    The factory ones are shot, and the place I got these from say"satisfaction guaranteed" but we will see how that turns out. You would think they wouldn't be hard to make since all sorts of cars use filler panels. I will work with them some more to try to line them up better before paint, but I'm kinda doubtful. So you guys are saying that no particular company is better than others and they're all gonna suck in the proper fitment? If I get a moment tonight, I'll post a pic and you guys tell me what you think.

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    I just installed replacements on my 87. The PO included all the replacement fillers but one. I ordered that one off Ebay and when it arrived I was surprised that it was a hard repro not the original since it was a used take-off.

    I do not know who made it but it was the easiest of the two to put on. It lined up and looked great. Now part of that may be the the part was already mounted on a car before I bought it. I could see where the holes had been modified to allow adjustment. The other thing that helped was that I had an extra set of the metal mounting brackets.

    I found that using the bracket from the opposite side of the car worked best. The bracket was designed to bite the soft material and by turning the curved part of it away from the car really made it easier.

    Hope that helps.

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    Hey guys,

    Haven't really been over in this section, but member "CSBUKN" reminded me today about it. I was just scanning this section and found this thread......

    Anyone have any experiences with "Plasticpartsinc" or "Autobodyfillersusa" down here in Florida. They're both about 6 miles from me. They are located next door to each other but are separate businesses. From what I heard when calling one of them and asking; it looks like it's a family feud....!

    I think PlasticPartsInc might be the company I'd buy from since they sent me a full quote for all their fillers for my 91 Brougham.

    A neighbor had a local body shop do his 92 Brougham, and they looked a little out of whack when I first saw them, but the body shop must have done a lot of adjustment or got out the heat gun because they looked better but are narrow at the bottom and there is a small gap between the filler and the lower euro molding which does not fit against it tightly, but I think its missing a clip because I saw that the body shop used silicone instead of a clip...... I'll have to ask him who did the work and which company's fillers were used.

    Anyone know if either of those company's parts are made well?

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    I've only used original factory used pieces. For the exact reason that you are discovering: aftermarket fillers fit like crap. They're usually more expensive than good used ones, too!

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoldschool View Post
    I've only used original factory used pieces. For the exact reason that you are discovering: aftermarket fillers fit like crap. They're usually more expensive than good used ones, too!
    I've looked many times for used ones. In Atlanta, which I live just south of, they just don't exist.

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    Head over to the parts for sale section at layitlow.com and you will have a good used pair by the weekend.

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    Has anyone ever heard of this company here or on the "LayItLow" Board or tried their parts??????

    Surely one of these company's must have purchased a NOS part to make an original mold from that fits like the originals unless one company actually did over the years and others have made copies of copies of copies and at that rate, I don't understand why they all don't fit right unless the original guy made the mold from a deformed used one and that's what everyone else made their copies from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jayoldschool View Post
    Head over to the parts for sale section at layitlow.com and you will have a good used pair by the weekend.
    Jason what are the odds of finding good original non disintegrating fillers for a 77-79 on that website? I need some spares since mine are still extremely decent but I need extras to paint when my car gets its makeover. Thanks!

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    Has anyone ever heard of finding genuine NOS (New Old Stock) or have they've been depleted. I wonder who was the original mfg. Maybe "Body By Fisher"?

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    I'm just going to post these links on Body Molding Clips since they are also another item the gets brittle and breaks.....not sure if others have any better sources for body molding clips other than the dealer or maybe the "HELP" product line by Dorman found at local auto part stores:

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    http://www.auveco.com/product/index.html

    Full Cat. Pg:
    http://www.auveco.com/download/catal...co_catalog.pdf

    Short Version PDF:
    https://rs6.eporia.com/company_97//auveco385-455.pdf

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    The problem with the ABS plastic fillers is that the material is thinner than the original Urethane used for these cars. They can't produce the parts with the same dimensional characteristics as the original, so you have to spend a lot of time to ensure the product aligns as well as possible, which will not be a good as the originals. The fillers could be made using Urethane, but you would have to manufacture the dies for the injection process, which would be expensive. Does anyone have a 3D printer big enough and able to produce a product using Urethane? I have good original fillers for 1977 - 79 devilles for such a project.

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    Re: Yet another filler panel question

    Dave, sorry, I missed your post. I would keep watching layitlow, those guys have parts cars all the time. Like I've stated before, I put used fillers on mom's 84, and they look great. Took new paint beautifully.

    Chris, I don't remember anyone checking with a GM dealer to see if there is old stock on the fillers. Worth a shot! You never know what's out there.

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