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1985-1996 Fleetwood and Brougham Forum Discussion, Opera & Cornering lights? in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Interesting, since both of us live in Sweden and had that same problem...maybe it's something that they do not accept ...
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    Re: Opeara & Cornering lights?

    Interesting, since both of us live in Sweden and had that same problem...maybe it's something that they do not accept those cornering lamps at the car inspection? I've not had it inspected yet so i do not know, have you?

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    Re: Opeara & Cornering lights?

    Quote Originally Posted by SafariOne View Post
    I ended up finding an older style Opera Lite that had the same footprint as the electro-luminescent type but were the bulb style. The e/l fixture was just plastic but the older ones were chrome. The E/L tape can still be had from ADAFRUIT INDUSTRIES if you want to go that route. You had better check to see if the inverter in the trunk is any good before going that route because that will be an extra expense. The light have a 110v line and a 12v going to them, you can just cap off the 110v line and use the 12v for the older lamps.
    Ok, what did you replace the Opera Lights with and will it work for my 86 Brougham?

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    Re: Opeara & Cornering lights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeppi94 View Post
    Interesting, since both of us live in Sweden and had that same problem...maybe it's something that they do not accept those cornering lamps at the car inspection? I've not had it inspected yet so i do not know, have you?
    That's an interesting thought. I was thinking that someone had removed the bulb in order to use it to find a replacement bulb at the shop, but then never got around to buying them or installing them. But that wouldn't explain why both were missing.

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    Re: Opeara & Cornering lights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeppi94 View Post
    Interesting, since both of us live in Sweden and had that same problem...maybe it's something that they do not accept those cornering lamps at the car inspection? I've not had it inspected yet so i do not know, have you?
    They were not functioning last time I did the inspection but I'll have an answer for you soon since I have another brougham that is due for inspection in the coming months. It is imported from Belgium so it's going through a somewhat more complicated inspection process (registreringsbesiktning). From what I have heard they know all about the light regulations and will crack down on stuff like red indicators (they must be orange in Sweden and the EU). I will report back on this thread when I have the answer to the missing bulb conundrum Expect a 1-2 months, I need to convert the car from LPG back to regular gas, fit a new cat on it as well as a whole bunch of smaller repairs before inspection.

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    Re: Opeara & Cornering lights?

    My Brougham still has it's original all red indicators, But when it's going to the car inspection i put on caravan style orange indicators that sits with tape on the trunk lid which i connect to the indicator cables, then afterwards i just remove them. worked for the previous owner and works for me x) OMG, i saw that Brougham on www.blocket.com when it was for sale earlier this year!! it was cheap due to that LPG system, it did look good though!

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    [/COLOR]Did you have to remove your 110V AC Inverter in your trunk when converting the opera lights to LED? I'm going to see if mine still works, if it does i'm gonna buy some EL tape and fix them up.

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    Re: Opeara & Cornering lights?

    I used the same setup for my car during inspections. It was indeed my car you saw, the guy who sold it had one white and one red, both of them are now mine! You can't say no to a 2 for 1 deal on cars.

    My 1990 brougham did not have the 110 volt system just 12 volt and ground. I do believe that the 110 volt system is used on older cars and the 12 volt is found on later generations but I don't know what year the switch was made.

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    Re: Opera & Cornering lights?

    Hey guys... "Opera lamps" are on the inside of the car. "Coach lights" are on the outside. Most of us have never been to an opera or ridden in a coach. But when you want to read the program and not disturb the other attendees, you have a small non-obtrusive light (depending on where you sit in the opera house). That same style light can be found in the rear seat area of many Cadillacs. It has a small switch, round lens housing and Cadillac emblem. When horse and carriages were a more popular mode of transportation, the more high end carriages had lanterns on the outside. As civilization transitioned from horse and buggy to automobiles, people who made luxury carriages (called coaches) ended up designing luxury cars. They employed many of the same features found in and on their luxury coaches, including... you guessed it.. exterior side lamps, which were/are known as coach lights. One of these luxury carriage makers was named..... (gasp) Brougham! If we want to be reputable as a group, we should be the ones correcting these misnomers not makin' em. Sorry but it the Caddy owners I learned from took Caddies a bit more seriously than your average Caddy owner I guess.

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    Re: Opera & Cornering lights?

    What you say sounds legit...but i believe it's wrong. The outside "Opera/Coach lights" are referred to as Opera lights in my 1989 Factory Service Information Manual, the inside illumination is called courtesy lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeppi94 View Post
    What you say sounds legit...but i believe it's wrong. The outside "Opera/Coach lights" are referred to as Opera lights in my 1989 Factory Service Information Manual, the inside illumination is called courtesy lights.
    I thought courtesy lights were the ones that were mounted on the doors in the armrests

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    Re: Opera & Cornering lights?

    Those outside lights have always been called opera lights on cars. Maybe the terminology was different in horse and buggy days but at some point it must have changed because all makes have been calling them opera lights for decades. The inside lights are courtesy lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Classic L View Post
    Hey guys... "Opera lamps" are on the inside of the car. "Coach lights" are on the outside. Most of us have never been to an opera or ridden in a coach. But when you want to read the program and not disturb the other attendees, you have a small non-obtrusive light (depending on where you sit in the opera house). That same style light can be found in the rear seat area of many Cadillacs. It has a small switch, round lens housing and Cadillac emblem. When horse and carriages were a more popular mode of transportation, the more high end carriages had lanterns on the outside. As civilization transitioned from horse and buggy to automobiles, people who made luxury carriages (called coaches) ended up designing luxury cars. They employed many of the same features found in and on their luxury coaches, including... you guessed it.. exterior side lamps, which were/are known as coach lights. One of these luxury carriage makers was named..... (gasp) Brougham! If we want to be reputable as a group, we should be the ones correcting these misnomers not makin' em. Sorry but it the Caddy owners I learned from took Caddies a bit more seriously than your average Caddy owner I guess.
    Wow! That is holding true to quite a high standard! Here in this thread I think we are talking glitzy American luxury car overdone fanciness from the 70's and 80's and Cadillac always referred to the exterior ornamental lights as "opera lamps" regardless of the historical correctness. With that said, Lincoln during the same era referred to the same type of lights as "coach lamps" so there.
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    Re: Opera & Cornering lights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham View Post
    Wow! That is holding true to quite a high standard! Here in this thread I think we are talking glitzy American luxury car overdone fanciness from the 70's and 80's and Cadillac always referred to the exterior ornamental lights as "opera lamps" regardless of the historical correctness. With that said, Lincoln during the same era referred to the same type of lights as "coach lamps" so there.
    Well, Lincoln is always wrong so.....

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    Re: Opera & Cornering lights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham View Post
    Lincoln during the same era referred to the same type of lights as "coach lamps" so there.
    Which could very well be the reason Cadillac called them something different.
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    Re: Opera & Cornering lights?

    I thought so too but its not hard. The corners lights are real simple. Jus look
    at the you tube videoes. As for the opera lights those are real easy , but u
    have to replace them with l.e.d strips because they dnt make the originals no more.
    U could find a set of used opera light strips but those will jus go out so y not
    get the l.e.d's. Plus it's a cleaner look than that dull yellow.

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    Re: Opera & Cornering lights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeppi94 View Post
    From what I've seen, it seems like the pillar opera lights and the cornering lamps does not work on 90% of all older Cadillac's, including my 89 Brougham. Anyone here who got functional opera or cornering lamps? I guess you just have to change the bulb's, but since the majority not have done that i guess they are hard to get to?
    Luckily my cornering lights and opera lights still work great on my '78 Deville. Only lights I`ve had to replace since I bought it 3 years ago is all 4 headlights---2 were stone cracked and the other 2 were just old.
    I thank God everyday that my '78 Deville runs as well as it does and all accessories still work,except the power antennae which luckily went out in mid position so I can still good reception for the radio.
    Sometimes I forget this Caddy is 36 years old!
    If my cornering light ever burn out, I`ll just replace them.

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