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    Well... Do we have a new FOSS member???

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

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    Well... Do we have a new FOSS member???
    I'm so sorry.

    I thought I had it in me, but I guess I don't.

    I'm not FOSS material.

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    After work yesterday, I went by to see the '96 Black/Black/Black Fleetwood with 59,800 miles on it. During the 15-minute test drive, the salesman TWICE offered to let me take it home overnight. So I did!

    It's absolutely BEAUTIFUL. It rides like you're on a cloud. The shocks are in great shape, no bouncing. The transmission is solid.

    The engine was in great shape, too. No leaks that I could detect. More power than I've felt in a car that size in several years. The injectors probably needed a good cleaning, there may have been some trash or something in the throttle body, or maybe it just needed a little tune-up. Or it could've been a vacuum-type problem, I'm just not sure. NONE of these minor complaints affected my decision.

    The interior was very clean, but there was a hole in the usual place on the driver's seat right next to the lumbar control (see picture). The seats were as comfortable as any car seats I've ever sat in. They adjusted to my every mood. I couldn't ask for more.

    COSMETICS: Three door dings on the passenger side, two were pretty deep puncture-type wounds, but they could be fixed for less than $250. The rear bumper had a very minor dent in it, but barely noticeable. The front chrome accent strips were blistering a little, but again--acceptable and replaceable when it got bad enough. The right headlight had a rock hole in it that had been taped over, but AGAIN, replaceable and it didn't detract from the appeal of the car.

    The paint was in extremely good condition. A few surface scratches from when the old lady drove through one of those car washes with brushes. But I know how to buff those kinds of things out and glaze them over. I could have this baby looking showroom new in probably two weekends. No rock chips on the front, either.

    I couldn't find a single reason not to buy the car. This Fleetwood was in as good condition as ANY Fleetwood I was going to find locally. I don't think I could have beaten it, except maybe if I found an extremely low mileage car.

    I LOVED sitting in this car.

    I LOVED looking at this car.

    I just didn't like driving it. Too "floaty" and too heavy for the kind of driving on the roads I drive. I don't remember Dad's DeVilles feeling this cumbersome back in the 70's and early 80's. It seemed they had a lower center of gravity or something.

    I think I've grown accustomed to the "Euro" feel in luxury cars. I've owned two Acura Legends, and one Acura RL. Mom had a '92 Legend that was different from mine and was the predecessor of the RL. Dad has had two Mercedes S-class cars. I felt more in control of them, and I think that's what bothered me about this Fleetwood. I didn't feel like I had control of it, or that I could avoid a hazard at a speed over 40 mph.

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    It wouldn't fit in my garage, either. I originally built it to hold a 20' car, but I added on to the house and connected the garage. In the process, I lost about 18" of its length. If I'm going to have a black car like this, I'm not going to leave it outside. I'm too much of a paint fanatic to let anything happen.

    On paper, this car was EVERYTHING I wanted. I'm thankful that the salesman let me take it home, because I probably would've bought it if the price had been right.

    Thanks for reading, I'll be interested in your comments. I'll make subsequent posts for the pictures.

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    Every centimeter mattered. I could alter the garage door a little, and it would probably work.

    Removing those front and rear bumper thingys would probably help, too.




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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    It's hard to tell in this picture, but the barge DWARFED the little Z3. Kinda scary to think what might happen if these two met in a dark alley.




    Of course, the dealer said they would fix anything I found wrong with the car, and the hole was the first thing he pointed out. I have seen this same hole in at least three other Fleetwoods pictured on the Web.

    The leather was overall in great shape. All I would need is a few hours with some of my magic potions to bring it back to life.



    One final shot of my garage with a Fleetwood in it.


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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    If you're interested, this car can be found at Bud Davis Cadillac in Memphis.

    but you better hurry, this one won't last.

    Ask for Larry.

    http://www.buddaviscadillac.com/index.asp

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis
    If you're interested, this car can be found at Bud Davis Cadillac in Memphis.

    but you better hurry, this one won't last.

    Ask for Larry.

    http://www.buddaviscadillac.com/index.asp
    That's a beauty of a car... You do realize the ride you are looking for is less than 500 dollars away, don't you? I hated the way my car drove stock too. Now I love it and it's a blast to drive.

    That doesn't solve the garaging problem, but removing the bumperettes will get you another 2" of clearance...

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    Yeah, Bill, I thought about that last night, but I really didn't want to modify this car at all.

    If I got one, I planned to keep it stock for 3-4 years and then play around with it when it became my second vehicle.

    Now I'm seriously considering a 2001-2002 DeVille. They cost twice as much, but I'm pretty sure they have the "feel" I'm looking for.

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis
    Now I'm seriously considering a 2001-2002 DeVille. They cost twice as much, but I'm pretty sure they have the "feel" I'm looking for.
    Yeah, but they're "wrong wheel drive" to start with...

    Heh heh.

    Good luck with whatever you chose, but I think you'd be really happy with the FW and a little bit of suspension work... Some stock Impala SS springs, a set of shocks... And you're done...

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    Back when Sal was test-driving, he made the comment that he felt unsafe behind the wheel.

    My response was unsympathetic. I guess I learned my lesson. Now I know exactly how he felt.

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis
    Yeah, Bill, I thought about that last night, but I really didn't want to modify this car at all.

    If I got one, I planned to keep it stock for 3-4 years and then play around with it when it became my second vehicle.

    Now I'm seriously considering a 2001-2002 DeVille. They cost twice as much, but I'm pretty sure they have the "feel" I'm looking for.
    I'm not following your logic here.

    Changing the springs and shocks would give you that 'euro' feel. Using 9c1 springs should keep the stock height. $500.00 and you're set.

    Or you could pay twice as much instead.

    For twice as much you could enlarge your garage too!!

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    this thread is very interesting.

    Elvis, i think the deville would be cool...

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    Quote Originally Posted by HotRodSaint
    I'm not following your logic here.
    Since when do cars and logic occupy the same space in the mind of an enthusiast

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    Re: Time to get serious--'96 Fleetwood

    I think there's a little bit more to the "Euro" feel that I'm talking about than just changing springs. Weight distribution has something to do with it, too. Springs won't fix that.

    Technologically, this car is back in the late 70's. There's a reason Cadillac discontinued it. There's a reason GM discontinued the B & D bodies.

    Don't get me wrong, I still think that the Fleetwood is an outstanding car. It broke my heart to let this one go, but I couldn't see myself getting excited about driving this car EVERY DAY. I just learned an important lesson--FOSS ain't for everyone. I know it isn't for me.

    It's kind of like Anna Nicole Smith...

    WAIT--I DIDN'T SAY THAT!!!

    UH--I DIDN'T MEAN THAT I EVER....

    NEVER MIND!

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    Don't worry too much about what anyone else says guys. There are plenty of different types of Cadillacs to go around for all different types of people. The main thing is we are driving prestige cars that most everyone else envies.

    Elvis, I KNOW the DTS Deville has the feel that you are looking for. My dad's new DTS is firm, but not harsh by any means. My FWD FLEETWOOD is bouncy by comparison, believe it or not!

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    Okay guys, that's more than enough. Back to the Fleetwood or Deville, and those cars only--no Anna Nicole Smith or other trash.

    I guess I come of a different mentality when it comes to the Fleetwood. Of all the cars I've driven, I first had a stronger appeal to the sportier, faster variety. But then I drove my father's Roadmaster. I was impressed, but in a very different way. And even after that, I drove the Fleetwood, all stock I remind you, and have absolutely fallen in love with the car. It is without a doubt, my favorite vehicle we have ever owned and I would love to buy more for a collection!

    Once again, I also remind you that I'm about 17 and a half. Kids my age will usually have nothing else but an awful sounding, raspy Honda Civic that rides so stiffly, it looks like one would be in severe pain after only a mile or two. Or, they're obsessed with Mustangs. Okay, sporty and somewhat cool (but not much), but they're almost as bland and common as a beige Camry, and about as exciting. I stray from the norm, obviously.

    Our '93 Brougham has never once scared me, and I drive about 20 miles one way to school everyday, mostly at high speeds on the highway. Typically averaging about 70mph, the ride is like silk, the "old" 350 silent and very powerful, the interior very quiet, and the brakes extremely well-controlled and powerful. I love every last detail about how it drives, and I drive FAST everywhere. On the highway, on back roads, in hilly places, and yes, around tons of sharp curves. Is the Fleetwood an M5? Hell no! Is it frightening? Absolutely not. It's very heavy, and one feels that all the time. I personally love that feeling--it's like rolling down the road in a bomb-proof tank. But to that point, you feel the weight in the handling and it does lean a little, but not excessively. The awesome ride more than makes up for that.

    About the only thing I would like to change is the steering feel on the highway. Just cruising straight for miles and miles, it often gets a little hard to keep the car pointed straight, especially if it's at all windy. Not that it's like our Avalance, that has firm steering that floats all over at the same time, just that the Caddy's steering effort feels light enough for parking lot speeds even when going 70+mph. But, yet again, it's not usually a problem.

    Would I change anything? Maybe a few details, but not anything major. Maybe some chrome Brougham wheels or a sunroof if it had been there in the first place. But, no suspension tweaks. From the reviews I've read different times on here, some make it sound like the car is extremely floaty, loose, and uncontrollable. Maybe ours is just weird in that it's not like that, or it could just be my perception. I love pretty much everything as is though.

    Would I drive a new BMW, Acura, etc.? Of course, but only if the Fleetwood was also there to serve as the occasional ultimate luxury vehicle. It is amazing soothing to drive easily after a long day, and something I always look forward to. I still do wonder what a LT1 Fleetwood is like though .

    Either way, I hope you do find the "right" car some day, Elvis--and I hope it's a Caddy! A Deville sounds very much like something you're looking for, particularly a DTS. I wish I could afford to buy another Fleetwood....I think I'd be on a little trip to Memphis this weekend if I could!

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