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1985-1996 Fleetwood and Brougham Forum Discussion, Real wood in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Originally Posted by Vladillac Khrougham RR makes some swell automobiles and their aviation power-plants are the Cadillac of aircraft engines, ...
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    RR makes some swell automobiles and their aviation power-plants are the Cadillac of aircraft engines, the only problem is despite everything else the simple fact remains that even the finest RR every made is still not a Cadillac.

    (By definition Cadillac is the Cadillac of automobiles)
    Yes, Cadillac had some things that Rolls ('50s and later) never had... like a factory 21-foot long vehicle (the '74-'76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five, of course), huge engines (472 and 500 for the Cad) and, as far as I know, Rolls didn't have separate rear climate and radio controls like the Fleetwood Seventy-Fives had.

    Also, Rolls didn't even use a V-8 engine until the late-'50s or early-'60s, there was no power seat adjustment up to the mid-'60s and no 1960s Rolls-Royce could run a low-16 second 1/4 mile or 8-second 0-60 mph like some of the '60s/early-'70s Cadillac could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleet View Post
    Yes, Cadillac had some things that Rolls ('50s and later) never had... like a factory 21-foot long vehicle (the '74-'76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five, of course), huge engines (472 and 500 for the Cad) and, as far as I know, Rolls didn't have separate rear climate and radio controls like the Fleetwood Seventy-Fives had.

    Also, Rolls didn't even use a V-8 engine until the late-'50s or early-'60s, there was no power seat adjustment up to the mid-'60s and no 1960s Rolls-Royce could run a low-16 second 1/4 mile or 8-second 0-60 mph like some of the '60s/early-'70s Cadillac could.
    Rolls didn't have adjustable steering column until the mid 1990's too. But I dont think most RR buyers care about any of these differences and perceived deficiencies - they simply want something that is exquisite, produced by hand in very limited numbers using the finest materials, and priced accordingly so they are assured of exclusivity.

    I think the plastic wood in our old Cadillacs is part of what makes them classic, and charming! I think once you start to fancy up an older Cadillac you'll start to realize that real wood will look odd next to the molded vinyl dash and vinyl door panels and plastic interior trim and shiny polyester carpet and velour headliner. You'll end up attempting to Rolls-Roycify your Cadillac and in the end you'll start looking at how the RR works with all of its real thing fineness and an old Cadillac works with all of its synthetic imitation fanciness!
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    Re: Real wood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham View Post
    Rolls didn't have adjustable steering column until the mid 1990's too. But I dont think most RR buyers care about any of these differences and perceived deficiencies - they simply want something that is exquisite, produced by hand in very limited numbers using the finest materials, and priced accordingly so they are assured of exclusivity.

    I think the plastic wood in our old Cadillacs is part of what makes them classic, and charming! I think once you start to fancy up an older Cadillac you'll start to realize that real wood will look odd next to the molded vinyl dash and vinyl door panels and plastic interior trim and shiny polyester carpet and velour headliner. You'll end up attempting to Rolls-Roycify your Cadillac and in the end you'll start looking at how the RR works with all of its real thing fineness and an old Cadillac works with all of its synthetic imitation fanciness!
    Good point(s).

    Wow, I didn't realize that Rolls didn't have an adjustable steering column until the mid-'90s. Kind of lagging behind.

    I've thought a few times about how nice real wood would look inside my '76 limousine, but as you said, it would probably look odd. Also, wood fades.
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    Re: Real wood

    Other then the dash and some of the trim I've always found some interiors of older Rolls to look cheap. Not because of material but the plainness of some of it. I'd still buy one tho.

    Wood in cars doesn't necessarily fade but it does crack and stain.

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    Re: Real wood

    Yes, some did look kind of plain. Especially from certain angles.

    I didn't think of that, wood cracking. I can see that happening especially in places with large temperature changes.

    Here is an example of well-worn wood on a '66 Fleetwood Brougham which a friend sold last September...


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    It takes quite a long passage of time and/or lots of sun exposure for real wood in finer cars to fade or crack. Then it would need to be refinished if you're a perfectionist or left alone if you appreciate a natural patina. There is nothing quite like real wood inside a car, and that's the reason I mentioned a Roller in the first place - there is a ton of it, it is not only real but veneers of the rarest and most exotic woods, finished and fitted by hand, and simply gorgeous. If you require genuine wood in your car you are cultivating an interest in a higher level of fabulousness. And you may as well go all the way over the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham
    It takes quite a long passage of time and/or lots of sun exposure for real wood in finer cars to fade or crack. Then it would need to be refinished if you're a perfectionist or left alone if you appreciate a natural patina. There is nothing quite like real wood inside a car, and that's the reason I mentioned a Roller in the first place - there is a ton of it, it is not only real but veneers of the rarest and most exotic woods, finished and fitted by hand, and simply gorgeous. If you require genuine wood in your car you are cultivating an interest in a higher level of fabulousness. And you may as well go all the way over the top.
    My interior has a higher level of fabulousness then
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    Re: Real wood

    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham View Post
    It takes quite a long passage of time and/or lots of sun exposure for real wood in finer cars to fade or crack. Then it would need to be refinished if you're a perfectionist or left alone if you appreciate a natural patina. There is nothing quite like real wood inside a car, and that's the reason I mentioned a Roller in the first place - there is a ton of it, it is not only real but veneers of the rarest and most exotic woods, finished and fitted by hand, and simply gorgeous. If you require genuine wood in your car you are cultivating an interest in a higher level of fabulousness. And you may as well go all the way over the top.
    Id say at least a good 60% of cars I've seen with real wood it has some sort of issues. But agreed, you can't beat the look of it.

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    Re: Real wood

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    Id say at least a good 60% of cars I've seen with real wood it has some sort of issues. But agreed, you can't beat the look of it.
    my friend's 86 jag xj6 sedan (which IMO was a POS when it left the factory) has splintered/ curled/ lifting wood veneer on the console. Rest of the wood still looks pretty nice.
    the console in my caddy was pretty rough when I got it too (and it was solid wood, not just veneer)- the finish was completely gone off pretty much the whole piece and the passengers side panel near the stack is rough from wear and tear.

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    Re: Real wood

    I'm sitting here smoking a pipe, and I just noticed the answer is right in front of my face. Briar wood is the way to go. It is meant to expand and contract due to heat and cold, many, many times. It also has a very nice grain pattern. You could park the car in the hottest climate then hop in and turn the A/C to maximum and the temperature swing would be nothing compared to grabbing a briar pipe off the shelf and using it to smoke with. This makes me think that Briar would be the way to go.
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    Re: Real wood

    Case in point..... the choice for real wood has to be done with much thought in mind. If you want to have the WOW factor you should chose a wood veneer {and solids) that have a very interesting or wild grain. Burl wood, birds eye,tigerwood. That way you will never be bored with the look and neither will your peers. You must finish these woods with high quality clearcoats such as Superthanes or Sparvarnish. This will ensure that the life and the sparkle will endure as these finishes are produced for outdoor use. The use of high quality contact cement is also advised for the installation process, such as Cabinetmaker grade contact. These contact cements are bullet proof and will withstand being put in the outdoor environment without breakdown. Prep. as you all know is everything, but you will not regret the time spent and the smiles you will get over the years. In my estimation it will never be a waste of time or money. And what's wrong with a one of a kind interior.

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    Re: Real wood

    Quote Originally Posted by lacville78 View Post
    I'm sitting here smoking a pipe, and I just noticed the answer is right in front of my face. Briar wood is the way to go. It is meant to expand and contract due to heat and cold, many, many times. It also has a very nice grain pattern. You could park the car in the hottest climate then hop in and turn the A/C to maximum and the temperature swing would be nothing compared to grabbing a briar pipe off the shelf and using it to smoke with. This makes me think that Briar would be the way to go.
    Another pipe smoker eh? Good idea there.

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