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1985-1996 Fleetwood and Brougham Forum Discussion, Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset) in Past Cadillac Vehicle Discussion; Originally Posted by Bro-Ham C&D certainly talked down the whole American car industry. Now we are left with decades of ...
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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bro-Ham View Post
    C&D certainly talked down the whole American car industry. Now we are left with decades of unimaginative blandness. No wonder I cancelled my subscription back in the 80's. The time is ripe for a renaissance, American cars can take over if they go back to their roots. Applying tacked on supposed American car styling cues on austere european based cars is not ever going to create lusty dreams and desires from car buyers. I have said it before - I hope an American car company breaks the mold and not some runaway hit from India or Korea...
    I always enjoyed the writing in C&D even though I had to read it through clenched teeth. I finally gave up my decades long subscription ten years ago when spikes in blood pressure became a health concern.

    I hate re-posting things but for the guys who don't "do" the lounge here are some photos I took of my Brougham next to the XTS. I was shocked how close in size they were, and how small the XTS looked on it's own.
    When looking at the pics Just imagine what an impressive car the XTS would have been with the fenders brought in line with the longest/widest parts of the car. and a slightly more upright/angular greenhouse.


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    It is like they tried to make it look small?!

    I honestly can't tell when I see one on the street if it is an ATS, CTS, or XTS until I am right up to it. What is the point of buying one if they all look the same?
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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    I don't think the XTS is a bad car. It's really a very good car. It's just not a very good Cadillac.

    Guido looks awesome as ever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by talismandave View Post

    I always enjoyed the writing in C&D even though I had to read it through clenched teeth. I finally gave up my decades long subscription ten years ago when spikes in blood pressure became a health concern.

    I hate re-posting things but for the guys who don't "do" the lounge here are some photos I took of my Brougham next to the XTS. I was shocked how close in size they were, and how small the XTS looked on it's own...
    Haha! I can relate! Dave over a year or two ago I gave up the forum lounge and that other hobbit hole where the "members only" elite liberals hung out to discuss thier brilliance and how stupid the rest of us are who don't want their rules and laws imposed and coerced on us, like obama uncare and this never ending shitty economy with unnecessiarily high prices and no growth.

    I just saw an XTS tonight, was probably a rental. Looks like a low line mercedes design from a decade ago warmed over just enough to rough in some sort of Cadillac taillights, and the late 1990's Audi A8 side window treatment was magical for me a decade and a half ago but I would frankly rather drive a mint 98 Audi A8 than a brand new xts. I just still can't believe Cadillac can't get a set of you know whats and take over the luxury car world!

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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Not to be diifcult but it is a small car. Here are the figures for Devilles/XTS (I picked 1972 as a pre-safety bumper year):
    Year 1972 1977 1996 2014
    WB 130.00 121.5 113.8 111.7
    Length 227.4 221.2 209.7 202.00
    Width 79.8 76.4 76.5 72.91

    Over 19 inches shorter and 4 1/2 inches narrower than the 1977 DeVille. Even the late 1990s DeVilles had a more impressive road presence. And it isn't much to look at, very misproportioned. The ATS and CTS are much better looking.
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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Thanks for posting. The some of the specs quoted are making me wonder. They list the axle ratio as 273 and fuel tank as 25 plus gallons.

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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Quote Originally Posted by talismandave View Post
    I always enjoyed the writing in C&D even though I had to read it through clenched teeth. I finally gave up my decades long subscription ten years ago when spikes in blood pressure became a health concern.

    I hate re-posting things but for the guys who don't "do" the lounge here are some photos I took of my Brougham next to the XTS. I was shocked how close in size they were, and how small the XTS looked on it's own.
    When looking at the pics Just imagine what an impressive car the XTS would have been with the fenders brought in line with the longest/widest parts of the car. and a slightly more upright/angular greenhouse.


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    It is like they tried to make it look small?!

    I honestly can't tell when I see one on the street if it is an ATS, CTS, or XTS until I am right up to it. What is the point of buying one if they all look the same?
    It may come to within a foot or two in length but it is just not as wide. That makes quite a difference. The Brougham just looks beefier.

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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    I enjoyed the article's counterpoint, that talks about the Coupe DeVille's performance potential flogging it around like the performer it can be. Always made me think back to Henry Hill's driving in Goodfellas. Suffice it to say, ordering the rear ride leveler package (that included an anti-sway bar) makes a big difference in how these cars corner. My red '79 (Denice) has it, while my Phaeton does not... it's pretty noticable, and I'm looking for a sway bar to install, as well as a front steering damper shock.Really, these were the last full-size Cadillacs until 1994 to come standard with a compitent engine with enough power to reasonably belt around through traffic without feeling like a relic. And my God they're fun to drive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benzilla View Post
    I enjoyed the article's counterpoint, that talks about the Coupe DeVille's performance potential flogging it around like the performer it can be. Always made me think back to Henry Hill's driving in Goodfellas. Suffice it to say, ordering the rear ride leveler package (that included an anti-sway bar) makes a big difference in how these cars corner. My red '79 (Denice) has it, while my Phaeton does not... it's pretty noticable, and I'm looking for a sway bar to install, as well as a front steering damper shock.Really, these were the last full-size Cadillacs until 1994 to come standard with a compitent engine with enough power to reasonably belt around through traffic without feeling like a relic. And my God they're fun to drive!
    The sway bar off a 90s brougham tow pack car or 9c1 cop car will bolt right on (get the brackets though). At least here, those cars are somewhat common.
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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Quote Originally Posted by Benzilla View Post
    I enjoyed the article's counterpoint, that talks about the Coupe DeVille's performance potential flogging it around like the performer it can be. Always made me think back to Henry Hill's driving in Goodfellas. Suffice it to say, ordering the rear ride leveler package (that included an anti-sway bar) makes a big difference in how these cars corner. My red '79 (Denice) has it, while my Phaeton does not... it's pretty noticable, and I'm looking for a sway bar to install, as well as a front steering damper shock.Really, these were the last full-size Cadillacs until 1994 to come standard with a compitent engine with enough power to reasonably belt around through traffic without feeling like a relic. And my God they're fun to drive!

    I'll second all that minus the steering shock thingy.
    Add the positraction axle and the car becomes extremely predictable.

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    Oh it is bad enough this rag thought the cars were imperfect at the time. I will be pleased to enjoy my 79 deVille with no modifications nor sway bars and will float by you as you think you have inadvertently transformed your old school barge into a condom you would find in a 70s truck stop bathroom vending machine.
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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    ...fish gotta swim....birds gotta fly....boats gotta float!
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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Quote Originally Posted by Benzilla View Post
    I enjoyed the article's counterpoint, that talks about the Coupe DeVille's performance potential flogging it around like the performer it can be. Always made me think back to Henry Hill's driving in Goodfellas. Suffice it to say, ordering the rear ride leveler package (that included an anti-sway bar) makes a big difference in how these cars corner. My red '79 (Denice) has it, while my Phaeton does not... it's pretty noticable, and I'm looking for a sway bar to install, as well as a front steering damper shock.Really, these were the last full-size Cadillacs until 1994 to come standard with a compitent engine with enough power to reasonably belt around through traffic without feeling like a relic. And my God they're fun to drive!
    Ben, I have the rear sway bar parts from a '77 deville. Have never tried them in a coupe, but am aware as to how different the ride is on a Brougham. I remember riding in the rear seat of a '78 Brougham with the bar and a working air ride system. This guy was whipping down side streets and cutting corners and I was impressed with the ride from the back seat that would have been tossing me from side to side at those speeds in any car that had a standard rear suspension.
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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Quote Originally Posted by bigm57ict View Post
    Silly and excessive gadgets? I wonder what he thinks of modern luxury cars

    "The big motor responds with an authoritative howl when you orange-alert the fuel monitor with the throttle"
    That's the best use I've found for the fuel monitor. I love it!

    My favorite is one author's description of driving a pre-1977 Cadillac:
    "You didn't steer the thing, you gave orders to the helm. And for more or less speed, you rang down for more steam. Damn the Datsuns! Full speed ahead!"

    Thanks for sharing this article. I enjoyed reading it.
    I believe the helm & steam quote was from an old consumers reports that I have somewhere.

    Those guys are even worse than C&D...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBodyFan View Post
    Not to be diifcult but it is a small car. Here are the figures for Devilles/XTS (I picked 1972 as a pre-safety bumper year):
    Year 1972 1977 1996 2014
    WB 130.00 121.5 113.8 111.7
    Length 227.4 221.2 209.7 202.00
    Width 79.8 76.4 76.5 72.91

    Over 19 inches shorter and 4 1/2 inches narrower than the 1977 DeVille. Even the late 1990s DeVilles had a more impressive road presence. And it isn't much to look at, very misproportioned. The ATS and CTS are much better looking.

    Hmmm, my STS has a 116.4 in Wheelbase, but its overall length is only 196.7 in. I'm not hot on the XTS at all, primarily because they built it as an FWD chassis.


    WIDTH 6 ft. 0.6 in. (72.6 in.) HEIGHT 4 ft. 9.6 in. (57.6 in.)
    LENGTH 16 ft. 4.7 in. (196.7 in.) FRONT TRACK 5 ft. 1.8 in. (61.8 in.)
    REAR TRACK 5 ft. 2.3 in. (62.3 in.) WHEEL BASE 9 ft. 8.4 in. (116.4 in.)

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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Only a milquetoast would complain about a full sized Cadillac.

    I'd vote that guy off my island.

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    Re: Car & Driver vintage review: 1978 Coupe deVille. (link to photoset)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Ape Man View Post
    Only a milquetoast would complain about a full sized Cadillac.

    I'd vote that guy off my island.
    The limo is too small, the Eldorado is too wide and the DeVille is too complicated with excess technology. lol lol You know this dope needs to make up his damned mind. lol lol

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