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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Yeah, no make -except for body transformation shops- has made longer bodies ever. Fleetwoods and 75 series were even longer.
    When I made the shot I didnīt notice the Escort; I just cared for my caddy but when I watched it quietly, it seemed curious to me. Escorts are not the smallest cars we use to see here. If it had been a Smart instead of an Escort, the poor thing would have looked like a key ring :LOL:

    Thank you all of you for your comments

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    i thought lincoln had some longer cars.

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Quote Originally Posted by outsider View Post
    i thought lincoln had some longer cars.
    Really? Which model / year?

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    oh i don't know for sure I just know that some of those lincolns have noses that look to go on for miles...

    looking on wikipedia I see the 75-76 continental was 232.9 inches, 77-79 was 233.
    the longest devilles appear to be 74-76 with 230.7 inches.

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    The 1975-76 Fleetwood Seventy-Five was the longest post-war standard production factory built car ever. Keep in mind, however, that a lot of the extra length added to all cars during the early to mid 70s was due to federal bumper standards which caused manufacturers to mount the bumpers further away from the body on shock-absorber type devices rather than an actual increase in body (sheet-metal) length.

    Sad thing is thanks to a failure to find new sources of fuel over the last 40 years we will probably never see cars as beautiful as even the early down-sized Cadillacs. As GM's second head of styling, Bill Mitchell, once said "styling a small car is like tailoring for a dwarf". The lines are just not there. And SUVs, well they are nothing more than two-box utility wagons, trucks, and will never look as good as a full-size Cadillac regardless of how big and bulky they make them.

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Quote Originally Posted by outsider View Post
    oh i don't know for sure I just know that some of those lincolns have noses that look to go on for miles...

    looking on wikipedia I see the 75-76 continental was 232.9 inches, 77-79 was 233.
    the longest devilles appear to be 74-76 with 230.7 inches.
    Thatīs an interesting piece of data. Thanks for sharing it

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Quote Originally Posted by CBodyFan View Post
    The 1975-76 Fleetwood Seventy-Five was the longest post-war standard production factory built car ever. Keep in mind, however, that a lot of the extra length added to all cars during the early to mid 70s was due to federal bumper standards which caused manufacturers to mount the bumpers further away from the body on shock-absorber type devices rather than an actual increase in body (sheet-metal) length.
    Thatīs right. Another interesting piece of data

    Quote Originally Posted by CBodyFan View Post
    As GM's second head of styling, Bill Mitchell, once said "styling a small car is like tailoring for a dwarf".
    :LMAO: I like that quotation and totally agree.

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Yesterday I went for a ride in my caddy with my girl. No more than 10 miles but the car run great and silent -apart from exhaust leak noise when I have to increase speed quickly or going a long uphill. Just wanted a quiet ride so I did not want to squeeze engine power. Besides, roads by the place he lives are narrow and when we pass another car in the opposite way I have to be careful, as the 80 in. wide make it somewhat difficult and I have to get used to the car dimensions in these roads.

    Previously I had the hose inside the coolant bottle changed as original one was broken and cracked; too short so its end was near "maximum" mark instead of 1/2 inch lower than "minimum" mark. As the engine started and the car was reaching normal temperature, it drank at least 2 liters of coolant so I had to refill 2 times until cooling circuit stabilized so liquid was always above minimum. Although it was a hot day again, no trace of overheating as first ride after differential change. This week I want to take it to my friend, the mechanic to redo wipers electrical circuit as they never worked since I bought the car. I want to install a temperature gauge to control engine temp too.

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Hey, these sound great , you should also consider of installing ampermeter / voltmeter . My jag does it have and it's very cool item imo

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Finding a vintage bracket with temp. gage, voltmeter and pressure oil gage, as intragration did would be great. Now I have an individual bracket for the temp. gage to be installed, but I think that if I go on adding gages and I find a proper bracket Iīll be able to substitute individual brackets for a triple one. I did not want to wait anymore as we are in summer and I want to control engine temp. as I donīt trust very much on tell tale lights. As service manual says, water temp should light when engine temp. is 264šF, what I think is too late and engine block temp. glows when temperature is 280š so you should be burning head gaskets. Who knows how theyīll work in a 42 year old carelessly maintained car.

    As Iīll have to bring the caddy to the city, Iīll try to flush the cooling circuit with the help of a friend and take it to a shop he knows having one of the last reserves of R12 gas to refill the A/C circuit and see if A/C works ok. At least compressor engages when I select automatic position in climate control but air coming from vents is not cool. I hope itīs just gas level is too low as itīs evident that circuit was never refilled. If I had time enough Iīd take Rex to a exhaust shop the mechanic recommended me to get him examined and get a quote of the fixing. I have to take the opportunity that the car should travel 55 miles to Madrid so I will spend $70 on gas at the local price, but Iīm glad to be on the road again after more than 3 months in the dry dock.
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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Hi guys,

    last thursday I took Rex to the mechanic to fix and check a list of things. He asked me to leave it with him as that day he had an important back ache and he could not start working at that moment. The car behaved very well during the 55 mile trip and driving was delightful. Some people turning their heads when looking at Rex and making videos in the highway :LOL: In the way I stopped at one upholster shop that made some good job for me and for a friend in the past to show him the car for a quote, that he told me would give me next week. He told me he has made some classic cars -some months ago a classic Oldsmobile convertible for which he had to make even the canvas top-. The quote would be using vinyl for door panels and seat sides and synthetic leather for the seat back and base following the present pattern. I also asked him to quote the option of bringing the original cloth myself so no synthetic leather cost. Synt. leather has the advantage that is easy to clean and maintain and the look is very similar to true leather; original cloth has the disadvantage that itīs difficult to clean, so I would be in a constant fear when fixings and interventions would be needed.

    Today I had a quote from SMS Autofabric. Reupholstering would need 3 1/2 yards @89/yard would make $311. If we add shipping to Madrid, total would be $396,50.
    I asked another reputed shop for quote, that told me it would cost about $1,760 (all material included) and I still have to check another one.

    These are the points I have asked the mechanic to check:

    -Fixing wipers electric installation
    -Installing temp. gauge
    -A/C - Heater blower only works at minimum speed. Try making the rest of speeds work.
    -Check if e-brake release is not working due to a failure in gear selector control connection or there is a vacuum valve failure so I have to look for another e-brake assembly. Emergency release lever is broken anyway.
    -Check backup lights not working (maybe problem is related with the above one as they are operated by a selector gear connection).
    -Change head cover gaskets (danger in moving wires over passenger side cover as wiring is not very reliable in this car)
    -Trying to fix exhaust leak on passenger side as one bolt is broken and another one at least is jammed so he would try applying a special metallic paste for these purposes.

    If he had time enough:

    -Power windows only can be operated from driver control. When I move window lock out switch nothing changes. I checked switch connection and apparently they are ok.
    -Gas smell in the passenger compartment when strong acceleration needed.

    Probably heīll call me tomorrow (Sunday) to give me some news and see if I can go on to flush cooling system, charging A/C gas and visit another upholstering and exhaust shop.

    Iīve been checking how A/C blower works at 5 speeds in the shop manual -I passed a copy to the mechanic of the whole manual- and itīs complicate as different circuits are involved for different speeds implying a relay, A/C control panel and power servo (A remanufactured one was installed). If Iīm fortunate, it would be the relayīs fault -as itīs easy and cheap to get- but if itīs control panel it would be worse, as remanufactured ones are expensive ($300+shipping) and a junkyard one could have similar problem (no guarantee).

    Iīll keep you posted

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Last monday I took the caddy. My friend, the mechanic could fix the following points:

    -Wipers: Electric installation was ok but wires had different colors than in FSM. The problem was in the solenoid inside the wiper motor. It caused most times wipers could not stop so previous owners had added a lever under the dash to cut current in that case. If lever is on and you switch wipers on they work (not always but most of times). Iīll buy a remanufactured motor to avoid these problems and remove it. At first I thought the levers were installed to operate wipers but they could not do the work by themselves. One is to stop wipers if they donīt want to and the other... No idea so it has been removed.

    -Temp. gauge: Sensor plate has been installed near the engine outlet hose (to radiator) and gauge under dash (see pics below). On highway driving temperature stays at 80šC (176šF) and city driving 90šC (194šF).

    -E-brake: Vacuum valve and automatic release is working but hoses were unplugged as e-brake can not be engaged again after released due to spring in really bad condition. Iīll look for another e-brake assembly from a 1965-70 model, as they are equivalent. I suspected valve was working as when releasing brake manually by the remains of the lever I could hear a sigh from the valve. Thatīs great as this is the part of the assembly that fails more frequently so I just need all the rest is working.

    -Head cover gaskets: Changed, and head covers mildly cleaned. Thatīs great as they had a thick film of oil mixed with smoke particles from exhaust leak strongly stuck to covers. Now, I just have to end the cleaning but now I can see that a good painting for both is necessary, as paint is missing on some parts.

    - Power windows: lock out switch can be released now (points inside needed adjustment) and all windows can be operated from their door control (one of them had contacts rusted).

    Back up lights and A/C blower medium and high speeds will have to await to the next time I take him the car as he needed more time to check this but the good news is that apparently the rest of the A/C system works ok as Iīll explain below. The paste for the exhaust leak was totally hardened as the container had to be opened for a previous work and when this happens it doesnīt last much time available so heīll order another one for next time we meet.

    I also flushed cooling system with the help of another friend. Coolant / water mixture was not very dirty but some small solid particles were seen removed when applying water pressure with a hose into radiator. Previously a special radiator cleaner was introduced in the system for more than 30 min. while engine was running. Water was applied for a long time after only clean water without foam came out of the radiator. We refilled circuit with water and took the car to my small parking space in the downtown until next morning (fortunately nobody complained), when we flushed the system again and refilled it with a high quality coolant (50%), that always provides additional protection against overheating.

    After cooling system was refilled I went to my friendīs friend shop to refill A/C with R12 gas (He bought a lot of it before it was banned) so now A/C works. When I select temperature it regulates cool / hot air to get the desired temperature. In Automatic position it even directs hot air to the feet and cool air to the dash vents. Defrost and fog position works also directing air to windshield. The only thing that have to be fixed is blower speed as now only minimum constant speed works. BTW, when compressor connects sometimes I can hear an intermittent squeak; in that case I move control lever and try to engage it again, and this time I donīt hear such a sound. It happens more frequently if car is moving. When it works without noise I feel a slight humming coming from compressor that can be noticed inside the passenger compartment but I think these A/C systems should be more silent. Could it be compressor needing lubrication?

    Then, I went to another upholsterer shop to ask for a quote that heīll give me next week. So far 2 upholsterers have told me the same: $3,500-3,800 not including taxes, and finally I went to a exhaust shop recommended by a friend. They are used to work with American classics and are fans of these cars so they enjoyed looking the caddy. Theyīll have to change center line (as it has a hole and is starting to crumble) and exhaust end including resonator (the last polished aluminum) for $500, what is a fair price here. The rest can be kept.

    After this I took Rex home, what allowed me to enjoy driving for 72 miles. First week of august Iīm planning taking him to the exhaust shop to get exhaust fixed.

    But vintage car lover life is never easy: I mentioned that when attempting strong acceleration I smell of gas in the passenger compartment and I feel the car has not the power a 375 HP 472 engine should. It even trembles subtly. Now that I can drive the caddy once itīs tuned up, Iīm beginning to test it without fear of causing a breakdown to a car that hardly moved for years. My friend, who helped me with flushing and who is also a mechanic (but he is no specialist in American cars), says itīs like some cylinder was failing at these moments. Itīs curious as engine sounds very well at idle and even strongly accelerating, but not moving. Next Sunday Iīll check sparks to see if one or more are dirty with unburned gas and check car again in strong acceleration. Probably I open a new thread concerning this issue with a video to ask opinion. The most similar 8 cyl. car I drove before was a '67 Oldsmobile 98. When you pressed resolutely accelerator I felt stuck to the seat back and for some reason this car is not showing all the power he should have in those moments; the rest of time driving is delightful.


    Temp. gauge under dash


    Temp. gauge in the dark. Itīs constantly illuminated when ignition is on.


    Rex arriving home after his adventures


    A stop at a gas station in the sunset


    Yes, I have to wash it again


    Parked in the downtown. Most people passing by stared at him


    If I was standing by the car there was always someone asking me about the car and telling me itīs impressing. I even talked with a Canadian gent in his late sixties, who remembered his youth when he saw the caddy.


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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    That's a cool Caddy!

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    Amazing shot,s thanks , it's a great pleasure to view such a beauty

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    Re: 69 Sedan de Ville official restoration thread

    Thank you, guys. Itīs been a pleasure for me driving it after months stopped due to the differential breakdown, just the day everything was ready to run with it. I hope he can show soon all the splendor of his good old days.

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