You ruined the Deville

[GreenMachine]

The presidential limo is way differant than the actual one, the pillars are thicker to hold the glass and the front end/winshield looks differant. The actual one looks like the previous deville only with the new edgy style. Still debateing if I like it or not, better or worse, over the older one. Right now it seems like your just paying for 1HP differance and a new body style. Wonder what this one will get in crash tests, some cadillacs didn't do so well because of airbag sensor problems (recalled) and something to do with the way the body holds up to a crash.

Specifications (Not Final):

Engine Type:

Northstar 4.6L V8 (FWD)

Horsepower/Torque:

275 hp at 5,200 rpm / 292 lb-ft at 4,400 rpm

291 hp at 5,600 rpm / 286 lb-ft at 4,400 rpm

Transmission:

Hydra-Matic 4T80-E 4-speed automatic, eletronically controlled with overdrive

[mccombie_5]

It is growing on me. I still dont like those front headlamps. Too much like the new STS.

[ben72227]

The grill is a BIT too much IMHO, I liked the old one better, and the rear end - with those Monte Carlo taillights. I'll get used to it though, and it looks good in red

[2002silverbullet sts]

i kinda thought the deville was heading to be light that..but my biggest question is why the tail lights on the new sts is like the deville? isnt that important? keeping the semi same looks on each cars

[Jesda]

STS and CTS are entirely new cars. The only thing the STS shares with the Seville is a trim level name.

[99Classillac]

I think they ruined the Deville too. I own a 99 and I'm proud it's name isn't the alphabet. DTS, STS, CTS, ESV(Escalade). Just give them names and bring the Deville back to glory. BRING BACK THE FIN LIGHTS like on the pre-2000 Devilles too! It used to be the signature look of a Deville, now the DTS is like the rest of the Cadillacs. They all look the same, just different trims and sizes.

[Tailfin]

I feel the consensus of opinions here deserves more support, and hopefully will be listened to. I think they ruined the Deville a long time ago, presidential or not. They kept getting more and more bubbly. We're driving cars, and the wheels are supposed to roll, not the entire car. 2000 really was the nail in the coffin, in my opinion anyway. The saddest and most absurd cutback in the design are the things which I use as a name on this forum. Those front lights are hideous too. Also, taking the emblem/hood ornament and thinning it out and warping it as if it were taken off a sphere made of emblems was a....questionable (forcing my objectivity here...) move. In fact, I don't see a hood ornament now...it's now on the grill... Talk about tacky. We could go back further and mention the awesome crome trim...oh yeah chrome, remember that stuff? Even my 90 has plastic pieces at the back and front which were beginning signs of cheapng out. If plastic's to be used, it ought to go where the vehicle tends to rust, like under the doors instead of wasting wax up on top. A little access port could easily be made for jacking.

[Zorb750]

I want the Zil.

[GreenMachine]

I agree tailfin, I like the pre-2000's much better than the "camry like" 2000-2005's.

What I must say is that this car is MORE like the old devilles than the 2000-2005 cars that actually sported the name. Not a drop of chrome on them, didn't look to Cadillac.

This new DTS (which looks far from the special pres limo) actually has brought back chrome, be plastic or similar material, its back. It was not on the 2000-2005's.

If you order one of these from the factory you CAN get a hood ordament but the "mass-sales" ones were all ordered w/o the hood ordament because the main complaint was "they get stolen".

I challenge you to go to your dealer and look it over from head to tow, in person this car makes a statement, the stacked lights are "back" that in the sense at night theres a row of LED taillights stacked.

This car, combined with the new Cadillac styling (which to awknowledge or not) has brought Cadillac from a top domestic, to something that is actually beginning to be competitive with Europeans. No more just above Lincoln.

When "fins" were introduced people didn't embrace them, they thought they were over the top, but if you look over the course of time Cadillac is now starting to shape the design cues again, just look at what the other companies are doing with "shapes" and you'll notice it.

No more bubbles is right, they wanted this car (and the others) to stand out in a crowd, to actually look like an expensive luxury car. Like it or not the 90's Cadillacs had cheap materials and cheap quality, in 2000 they stepped it up, with this model its up yet another notch.

I like and dislike it but it appears (judgeing by sales) a majority like the new car over the 2000-2005's, it appears to be either bringing buyers back, 2000-2005's are being replaced, or like in the case of one of my neighboors, finally giveing them something to "upgrade" to from their late 90's Deville.

Now, don't look at it as a Deville, the reason they dropped the name is to aviod just that, thats why the new RWD STS isn't called seville, thats why the XLR isn't called Eldorado, etc. These are a new-era in Cadillac, so far moving in this direction has helped...there was talk of actually closing down Cadillac in the 90's, you certainly don't hear that anymore.

[bitteroldhag]

I agree. The Cadillac needs fin lights. Otherwise, it's a Chevrolet. I note that the new Cadillacs are indistinguisable from Chevrolets. If I wanted a Chevolet, I'd buy that. But I want a Cadillac. Take a page out of Chrysler's PT cruiser and give us real Cadillacs.