5 Caddy's now and losing my business potentially

[jerseyvette]

Our family has 6 caddy's now:
2 Fleetwoods
1 Deville
2 Sevilles (one STS and One SLS)

These are cars (except for the 99 STS that my brother drives) all have adequate room inside. Since the 1998 Seville and 2000 Deville came out GMs engineering have overlooked what has ALYWAYS been VERY important to us owners. They are REAR LEG AND HEAD ROOM and FRONT HEAD ROOM. My dad just bought a new LINCOLN TOWN CAR because he does not fit in ANY of Cadillac's luxury cars (tall driver). You just lost a lot of $$ because of engineering mistakes. We are not all 5' 8" drivers!!

GM has REALLY let me down and I am now forced to look at foreign cars for my next purchase...you drove me out of your customer base with your designs. (You did the same on the 2002-2004 corvette Z06 and Coupe..shrinked the headroom.).
Regretfully,
NJ Life Customer

[mack1a]

Have you really checked out the headroom in the 2001 and up Deville?

[Devil_concours]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

Our family has 6 caddy's now:
2 Fleetwoods
1 Deville
2 Sevilles (one STS and One SLS)

These are cars (except for the 99 STS that my brother drives) all have adequate room inside. Since the 1998 Seville and 2000 Deville came out GMs engineering have overlooked what has ALYWAYS been VERY important to us owners. They are REAR LEG AND HEAD ROOM and FRONT HEAD ROOM. My dad just bought a new LINCOLN TOWN CAR because he does not fit in ANY of Cadillac's luxury cars (tall driver). You just lost a lot of $$ because of engineering mistakes. We are not all 5' 8" drivers!!

GM has REALLY let me down and I am now forced to look at foreign cars for my next purchase...you drove me out of your customer base with your designs. (You did the same on the 2002-2004 corvette Z06 and Coupe..shrinked the headroom.).
Regretfully,
NJ Life Customer

how tall are you exactly? wouldn't it be a waste to design cars for small percentage of people above certain height?

[Brett]

im about 6'10" and i fit horribly in a town car, i just rented one a few weeks ago and was extremely disappointed. 2000+ Deville is the way to go for tall people or if you go foreign the LS, S, or 7 all work as well

[jerseyvette]

Originally Posted by Brett

im about 6'10" and i fit horribly in a town car, i just rented one a few weeks ago and was extremely disappointed. 2000+ Deville is the way to go for tall people or if you go foreign the LS, S, or 7 all work as well

I am almost 6'4" and have longer legs. Cadillac's are designed for men around 5'10" tall which is really sad. What makes it tough is that Mercedes with Chrysler are able to design a virtually perfect car with the new 300C. Headroom, power, legroom ,rear seat space, exterior looks etc are all excellent. I just always had a hope that GM and Cadillac would one day lead the world in making products people want. It's just sad that in 2004 a little country like Germany shows them up again, again and again. Now I'm stuck looking at cars in foreign car show rooms because GM turned their back on people like me. If any Daimler Chrysler execs are reading this I want tom say a sincere "Thank You" and congratulations on the cars you are introducing. I wish GM had your management team and design staff.

[Spock]

GM is coming out with a new line of cars, even bringing back a RWD v8 full size. Perhaps the caddys will benefit.

[Devil_concours]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

I am almost 6'4" and have longer legs. Cadillac's are designed for men around 5'10" tall which is really sad. What makes it tough is that Mercedes with Chrysler are able to design a virtually perfect car with the new 300C. Headroom, power, legroom ,rear seat space, exterior looks etc are all excellent. I just always had a hope that GM and Cadillac would one day lead the world in making products people want. It's just sad that in 2004 a little country like Germany shows them up again, again and again. Now I'm stuck looking at cars in foreign car show rooms because GM turned their back on people like me. If any Daimler Chrysler execs are reading this I want tom say a sincere "Thank You" and congratulations on the cars you are introducing. I wish GM had your management team and design staff.

i'm not sure what the issue is but neither the old or new devilles aren't designed for 5'10" tall. I've driven in both and both fits me fine (6'2" 230lb)

[Brett]

Im with devil on this one, im a half foot taller than you and i bet quite a bit heavier, and i havent had any problems with fitting in a cadillac. i had a seville for 3 years. sounds like you might just have an axe to grind.

[99Zee28]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

GM has REALLY let me down and I am now forced to look at foreign cars for my next purchase...you drove me out of your customer base with your designs. (You did the same on the 2002-2004 corvette Z06 and Coupe..shrinked the headroom.).
Regretfully,
NJ Life Customer

What are you talking about? 2002-2004 Vettes have less headroom than previous years? Are you on crack? Have you not noticed the C5 Vettes have been around since 97 with NO changes, including eliminating some head room! And if you're talking about a ZO6's flat rear window, that was done to reduce weight! You know that Huge rear window weighs a lot! By eliminating it they eliminated a lot of weight which in turn makes the car faster and handle better. Also, the headroom for a ZO6 and a Coupe are the same. I checked on Edmunds.com!

Some people, I just don't get!

Later,
Dave

[jerseyvette]

the only Axes Grinding are my knees against the dash of the 2000 and newer Deville and 1998 and Newer Sevilles. I was having a flash back yesterday of the "good ole days" in the mid 80s when GM had the Eldorado with the Metal roof and the Iroc Z. These were two timeless cars with an incredible following and style.

Now look at what GM is making: Cars like the GTO with a style that looks like a modified 1995 Grand Am and CTS which is too small of a car in general with a lackluster overall appeal. The new Pontiac's ARE ALL WAY TO CRAMPED INSIDE. The XLR rules(because it is a rebodied VETTE) and so does the Escalade (for people that can put up with a truky ride). The SRX is average if not below average looking and the new STS looks "sigma-ish" which is not a compliment.

From a styling perspective now look at a car like tha 2005 Audi A8. It just looks like a CEO or board member just arrived when you see one. The length is long and wheels seem very large and low profile..just a great looking car (in my opinion)

The Cadillac 16 is an incredible car all around but I will bet the ranch that if it ever comes out it will look similar to a Chrysler 300C. (If it comes out I will eat my hat).

Here is my ideal Cadillac:
1) Rear Drive
2) A bit lower and wider stance than an AMG S500
3) Not so razor-sharp edges like the CTS.
4) Although modern I prefer a bit more of a Bently-ish aero but stodgey looking shape. The Bently Contintental GT really makes great use of this theme
5) Available 4 wheel drive
6) Stronger interior accents (like cigarette lighters, lighting, leather, shift knobs, AC vents etc). Just make the inside more rugged and strong.
7) Legroom a bit bigger in the rear than an S Class Mercedes.
8) Take Mercedes Que on the open drivers cockpit area. Lots of seat adjustments, a deep knee room area and multiple levels of top seat surface controls
9) Get away from making every interior look like that of a CTS! Get plush like Audi and Porsche. (Dash boards that match seat colors, various stiching combinations etc)

Hope this helps!