I hope exec's read this forum.

[Logandiagnostic]

As a matter of fact we do work for GM. I personally was excited about getting a close hand look at the new 300.

I'm sure GM has a 300 already torn down....the parts are looked at, weighed, analysis, etc.

This type of failure is considered a 'walk home' failure. Your dead in the water per say. #1 customer pisser offerrr type issue. Something like this is typicaly found at the factory before the car leaves the plant.

Call the nearest Chrysler dealer this morning 20 miles away in Pensacola. No parts directly available....may be able to FedEx some in. Car was towed in about 8:30 this morning.

Its their baby now.


Logan
www.airbagcrash.com
www.logandiagnostic.com

[jerseyvette]

Originally Posted by Logandiagnostic

As a matter of fact we do work for GM. I personally was excited about getting a close hand look at the new 300.

I'm sure GM has a 300 already torn down....the parts are looked at, weighed, analysis, etc.

This type of failure is considered a 'walk home' failure. Your dead in the water per say. #1 customer pisser offerrr type issue. Something like this is typicaly found at the factory before the car leaves the plant.

Call the nearest Chrysler dealer this morning 20 miles away in Pensacola. No parts directly available....may be able to FedEx some in. Car was towed in about 8:30 this morning.

Its their baby now.


Logan
www.airbagcrash.com
www.logandiagnostic.com

You have to give me credit for calling you out as someone that was affiliated with GM. I've been driving GM cars since 1990 and recommend them to anyone for almost any use. The Chrysler 300 in my opinion is so well outside the box and bold that Caddy has major work to do to be at par with this car (in almost every category). I think the issue with GM "up top in management" at this point. The problems are that the little things are being done wrong instead of the right things being done right. Evidence of this are high pricing for "under premium product" in several cars (like Saabs with 4 cylinders etc). Another issue is one that we've all been discussing is engineering and product competitiveness. The Deville DTS has a Uni-body and crammed feel overall(like I stated in another post that if I were to get smashed from behind in the car both of my knees would break..it's unsafe for tall people). I personally think the Chrysler 300C (as a benchmark) should be the style and type of Car Caddy offers as a mid-size car. The top end cars should be big, well tuned and very powerful (possibly a tad smaller then a full sized Bentley).

What the hell is happening at GM? The Sigma-Stigma is more likely to lure people like me AWAY from the brand rather than to it. Caddy's thinking for example: "Let's introduce a " $29K cousin of catera" called CTS, drop in a high volume engine called northstar, run a commercial or two and then put a $55K price tag on it and name it a 2005 STS or SRX V8...what the people will really love is spending $55K on a car that THEY KNOW shares the same construction and platform as a $29K CTS...and it looks almost exactly the same.."

Anyone agree with me here that this is all way off and outside of the way yuppies think? Now what would make sense is introducing a Buick that is similar to a 2005 STS with virtually the same performance for $38K. This would lead to a psychological feeling of value in the buyers mind.

I welcome any feedback from other GM owners.

[RERM]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

You have to give me credit for calling you out as someone that was affiliated with GM. I've been driving GM cars since 1990 and recommend them to anyone for almost any use. The Chrysler 300 in my opinion is so well outside the box and bold that Caddy has major work to do to be at par with this car (in almost every category). I think the issue with GM "up top in management" at this point. The problems are that the little things are being done wrong instead of the right things being done right. Evidence of this are high pricing for "under premium product" in several cars (like Saabs with 4 cylinders etc). Another issue is one that we've all been discussing is engineering and product competitiveness. The Deville DTS has a Uni-body and crammed feel overall(like I stated in another post that if I were to get smashed from behind in the car both of my knees would break..it's unsafe for tall people). I personally think the Chrysler 300C (as a benchmark) should be the style and type of Car Caddy offers as a mid-size car. The top end cars should be big, well tuned and very powerful (possibly a tad smaller then a full sized Bentley).

What the hell is happening at GM? The Sigma-Stigma is more likely to lure people like me AWAY from the brand rather than to it. Caddy's thinking for example: "Let's introduce a " $29K cousin of catera" called CTS, drop in a high volume engine called northstar, run a commercial or two and then put a $55K price tag on it and name it a 2005 STS or SRX V8...what the people will really love is spending $55K on a car that THEY KNOW shares the same construction and platform as a $29K CTS...and it looks almost exactly the same.."

Anyone agree with me here that this is all way off and outside of the way yuppies think? Now what would make sense is introducing a Buick that is similar to a 2005 STS with virtually the same performance for $38K. This would lead to a psychological feeling of value in the buyers mind.

I welcome any feedback from other GM owners.

Well, platform sharing has been going on at GM (and just about every major automaker) since the sixties. It's the execution that counts.

Ex: Audi A4 =VW Golf
MB SLK = Chrysler Crossfire
Jaguar X type = Ford Mondeo = Volvo 40 series
VW Touareg = Porsche Cayenne
Every Chevy truck = every GMC truck = Cadillac Escalade
Etc...etc...etc........

[M STaR 013]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

The Chrysler 300 in my opinion is so well outside the box and bold that Caddy has major work to do to be at par with this car (in almost every category).

i must say cadillac was so well outside the box when they introduced the CTS. very bold styling imo.

jerseyvette, do you work for daimlerchrysler? you should change your user title from "Cadillac Fan" to "300 Fan." if caddy, even GM, keeps on disappointing you, maybe it is time to move on to another make.

[CaddyFan2004]

Originally Posted by M STaR 013

i must say cadillac was so well outside the box when they introduced the CTS. very bold styling imo.

jerseyvette, do you work for daimlerchrysler? you should change your user title from "Cadillac Fan" to "300 Fan." if caddy, even GM, keeps on disappointing you, maybe it is time to move on to another make.

Good one.

I'm also getting tired of reading his same comments over and over about how he doesn't fit in a Cadillac.

I'm guessing he's actually a Chrysler dealer or salesperson.

[Johnz]

Originally Posted by jerseyvette

[u]

What the hell is happening at GM? The Sigma-Stigma is more likely to lure people like me AWAY from the brand rather than to it. Caddy's thinking for example: "Let's introduce a " $29K cousin of catera" called CTS, drop in a high volume engine called northstar, run a commercial or two and then put a $55K price tag on it and name it a 2005 STS or SRX V8...what the people will really love is spending $55K on a car that THEY KNOW shares the same construction and platform as a $29K CTS...and it looks almost exactly the same.."

Anyone agree with me here that this is all way off and outside of the way yuppies think? Now what would make sense is introducing a Buick that is similar to a 2005 STS with virtually the same performance for $38K. This would lead to a psychological feeling of value in the buyers mind.

I welcome any feedback from other GM owners.

I have purchased my first GM product I have ever owned. I bought the Cadillac SRX. You cant compare the SRX to a Deville, they are two different animals. A Seville type car could never be made to handle like the SRX. As far as comparing it to a Caterra, way off! So far the SRX is the best car I have ever owned. I am 6'-2" tall and it fits me with plenty of room to spare. It has the biggest rear seat legroom in it's class. I was looking at SUV imports and was prepared to by the BMW or Volvo and this particular dealer also sold Cadillacs. I decided to take it for a spin and after driving the BMW X5, Volvo XC90, VW Toureg, Lexus and a few others, this car by far was the best. Bigger in front and rear legroom and more power than any of them by far. It truly handles like a sports car, not an SUV. It holds the road in any condition with no sway what so ever in the turns. Yes it's true that it's an expensive vehicle. It starts around $38,000 and I bought it pretty loaded for around $50,000 out the door but compared to the other vehicles in it's class, it's right on track when you compare those other vehicles with the same options.

Hey, It's a Cadillac. As far as buying a GM, I wouldn't by any GM product other than a Cadillac. All Gm's are not the same. The service alone is twice as good at a Cadillac dealer than they are at a Chevy dealer.

It's like comparing a Lexus ES300 to a Toyota Camary. Yes they look the same and are made by the same company. But they are $5,000- $7,000 more expensive and when you drive them, you can tell the difference right away.

The service department at the Cadillac dealerships go out of their way to let you know you bought a Cadillac and you should be treated as such.

Way to go GM!

Buy American!

[John Caddy]

The SRX brought me back to GM as well - my first car was a '72 Impala and I hadn't owned GM since...

In the 16 interim cars between my GMs, I was lured in twice by Chrysler products - both were decidedly built for the showroom and all but fell apart in the real world. Never ever ever going to Daimler-Chrysler again!

My Sigma Caddy isn't perfect (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums...ad.php?t=17184 (When all is said and done....I like it)) and I do hope that GM execs find this forum because a few small changes and these cars will have NO competition! But it's solid and it looks better than any SUV/wagon on the road, it's for the most part well thought out, it's got more leg and head room than the kraut and jap competitors and the bonus of a third row seat.

The sigma platform is finally an american product that can compete with Mercedes and BMW and it feels good to buy American and not support products from socialist/communist countries! (P.S. Buying Chrysler products is NOT buying American.)

Thanks:
JC

[cguthrie]

On a positive note, Caddie brought me back to GM also. 1st car was a '68 Caprice, 327, 275-300hp?, but I remember the key in the dash just like my 99STS!

Anyway, the 68 lasted to 180K when the timing chain broke. My STS has 94K, of which i've put 50K personally, w/no problems. Yes it burns oil, which I now refer to as a "feature", not a defect. My sister bought a simalar STS, and loves it also.

I'm thrilled with the new STS, for a couple reasons. First, rear wheel drive will definitely help Cadillac compete with the rest of the world, and second, my next car will probably be a 2003 STS, which will be an even better value. I'll get a 2005 in 2007!

A used STS is definitely one of the best full size - or for jerseyvette - midsized sedan on the market.

Chris
99STS 94K

[HITMONEY]

Hi all, my first post!
First lemme say I am 34 and have owned 4 Caddys. Currently an 02 Escalade AWD and recently purchased a very low mile 2002 black DTS with all the bells and whistles.

Before buying the DTS I considered a 300c. First I rented one from a high end rental place. I loved the car! It had style, class, uber power, comfort... I thought I was in a caddy. To say the least I was impressed and was sure to buy one the following week.

Then it happened. I saw a 300 touring edition on the road and it was a TAXI CAB! There went the class and style. The same day while researching the car on the internet I found an article stating that the 300 was being considered as a new POLICE vehicle in some part of California.

That was the last straw. No way was I gonna drive a car that could be seen used as a Taxi in my town.. or better yet one day being pulled over by one.

I ended up finding a black 2002 DTS with low miles and purchased it. I absolutely love it.. When I get in my Escalade, (which isn't much anymore) I feellike I am driving a pickup truck.

And to the guy saying his kness hit the dash board on a DeVille?? You must be a big boy! I am 6'1 and I don't even put the seat fully back and have the steering wheel fully telescoped out.

I am SOOoooooo glad I got the DTS over the 300 with the optional Yeelow checker paint job.

[catscnfly]

Gettin' down to brass tacks.. are people really, truly, actually comparing the historically obvious credibility of Cadillac to Chrysler? If anyone is considering the purchase of a Chrysler over a Cadillac, ... may they find someone in time that'll explain the birds n' the bees!