Havoline? - Page 9

GreenMachine · #**121** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadillac

Oil filter talk is about as boring and "getnowherefast" as oil talk. Over the years I have heard / read my share of Fram bashing. I have been driving and servicing my cars for 23 years now, and have been using Fram filters almost exclusively. I also have only used a non-dino oil in an engine only a few times (read that as I always use the "cheap" stuff) and I have yet to have an oil related issue with any vehicle I have owned. Aside from the time I was running Mobil1 with a Motorcraft filter in my '93 Bronce back in '94. Stupid me overtightened the filter, squashing the gasket, and allowing that "liquid gold" to run all over the highway. But Fram filters have done me well over the years. I will continue to use them also.

Don

When I was reading up on fram it wasn't that they were really bad or anything, it was more or less you could get a better filter for the same price or less making them a bad buy comparing them other brands.

MUGSANDLUKE · #**122** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 10:54 AM

Happy to see you guys didn't let me down. We're passed the 12 page mark for this thread. Way to go guys!!! Keep up the good work.

GreenMachine · #**123** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 11:04 AM

I see only 4 pages :P

Whats wrong with trying to find a good deal on oil rather than spending 4 dollars a quart?

Same with filters, if I can spending 2 bucks I will over 4 bucks, especially when companies just rebrand stuff. Its not like we're discussing how a filter works or anything...well I skip over posts that have that in them. This is no differant than a regular vs premium gas debate...which also has the answer right in the manual. Just trying to save a few bucks

EcSTSatic · #**124** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 11:52 AM

And as for the Havoline shortage at Advance Auto I mentioned earlier (I don't care if you use it or not). It's back with new formula and packaging. Introducing Havoline with new DepositShield.

STS127 · #**125** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 12:34 PM

I've seen the new Havoline. Must be their new product for 07. I guess that would probably explain why there was a shortage of Havoline at parts reatilers. Is this new desposit sheild stuff only in 5w and 10w 30 weights because if my memory serves me well last time I was at the store they only had the new stuff in these weights.

codewize · #**126** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 02:12 PM

Why do you suppose this is?

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Originally Posted by Dadillac

Over the years I have heard / read my share of Fram bashing.

For the same reason I tried them, good marketing. It doesn't mean they're any good.

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Originally Posted by Dadillac

I have been driving and servicing my cars for 23 years now, and have been using Fram filters almost exclusively.

How long do you keep your cars? Have you ever torn and engine down after a long life with Fram?

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Originally Posted by Dadillac

But Fram filters have done me well over the years. I will continue to use them also.
Don

clarkz71 · #**127** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadillac

But Fram filters have done me well over the years. I will continue to use them also.
Don

If someone "gave me" a case of Fram filters, I'd sell them on e-bay and use the money to buy AC Delco filters.

clarkz71 · #**128** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MUGSANDLUKE

Happy to see you guys didn't let me down. We're passed the 12 page mark for this thread. Way to go guys!!! Keep up the good work.

Every time you mention it, it extends this thread another 3 or 4 pages.

I think we should talk about drain plug gaskets, or funnels.

Cadillacboy · #**129** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by clarkz71

If someone "gave me" a case of Fram filters, I'd sell them on e-bay and use the money to buy AC Delco filters.

I have done same way . I had 3 or 4 pcs Hastings filters and sold them to another Cadillac owner and with that money I earned I bought AC Delco filters

**Ranger** · #**130** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by clarkz71

If someone "gave me" a case of Fram filters, I'd sell them on e-bay and use the money to buy AC Delco filters.

I have to agree.

Dadillac · #**131** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by codewize

Why do you suppose this is?

Probably the same reason the Northstar has a bad reputation. A few bad experiences doesn't mean an entire product line is crap.

Don

codewize · #**132** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 09:29 PM

I've never heard anyone say anything negative about the N* with the exception of the idiots that abuse them and then blame the engine for a failure. Like the asswipe trying to start crap about blocks cracking all the time. Come on, that's just ridiculous and you and I both know it.

They just require that you actually follow the maintenance schedule unlike the standard GM L05 350 that we're all used to killing for 500k miles

I think 99% of N* owners love the engine and those of us who know a little more about it love it even more. It's a time tested world class engine. Nothing like Fram filters

I bad mouth Fram because of evidence that I've seen showing full well the product wasn't doing it's job. Nothing like the N*

And just for the record I do think Fram has a good filter out there now but why switch when I have something I love and I'm 100% positive it works

**Ranger** · #**133** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 09:40 PM

Don, do some searching. I think I saw an oil filter test over at bobistheoilguy once. Fram did not fare very well. Basically just tissue paper inside if I recall correctly. I use their air filter, but would never use their oil filter.

Dadillac · #**134** (**permalink**) 01-21-07, 10:31 PM

Well I do not have any fear in using a Fram oil filter. Do you really believe that Fram would still be in business if thier filter was that detrimental to an engine? There would be a huge class action suit with hundreds of thousands of claimants. All that I am saying is, the Fram may not be "the best" filter choice out there. But I am more than at ease that it well up to the task at doing what it is supposed to do. And there is no way that Fram is staying in business with the 4 oil filters that I buy each year.

Don

codewize · #**135** (**permalink**) 01-22-07, 09:30 AM

Look, even Ranger agrees with this and he hates these discussions. Yes I do believe a company can survive making junk. Look at the crap the Quakerstate went through. They still make oil. I have no idea who uses it but they still make it.

Dell is still in business and they make crap. People buy it cuz it's cheap, available and easy to buy. Commodity is the word here and once you brand something people no longer care if it's good or not. Honda and Toyota are good examples of that.

The long and the short is maybe no one has proved that Fram filters were the actual cause of any damage but after what I saw it's pretty clear to me that they don't do the intended job which in turn will cause a failure at some point.

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Originally Posted by Dadillac

Do you really believe that Fram would still be in business if thier filter was that detrimental to an engine?
Don