Havoline? - Page 10

clarkz71 · #**136** (**permalink**) 01-22-07, 12:12 PM

I found this on an oil filter comparison article. Under "filters to avoid", this was the first on the list.

Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there. It features cardboard end caps for the filter element that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and frequently leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time. The stamped-metal threaded end is weakly constructed and it has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow. I had one of these filters fail in my previous car. The filter element collapsed and bits of filter and glue were circulating through my system. The oil passage to the head became blocked and the head got so hot from oil starvation that it actually melted the vacuum lines connected to it as well as the wires near it.

C66 Racing · #**137** (**permalink**) 01-23-07, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ranger

... I think I saw an oil filter test over at bobistheoilguy once. ...

This independent filter study is probably the actual source of most of the info you've seen. In my opinion, this is a pretty good study, though it is somewhat dated.

http://www.oilfilterstudy.com/

GreenMachine · #**138** (**permalink**) 01-23-07, 07:20 AM

Tornado Fuel Saver is still in business.....

codewize · #**139** (**permalink**) 01-23-07, 09:29 AM

Don's probably outside changing his oil and filter. LOL

EcSTSatic · #**140** (**permalink**) 01-23-07, 09:43 AM

I don't know (yes I do - cost) why more manufacturers don't install remote oil filters. My diesel Mercedes had a substantial replaceable cartridge unit mounted on the firewall. You still had to drain the oil from below and let gravity do its thing, but the filter could be replaced by leaning over the fender.

Dadillac · #**141** (**permalink**) 01-23-07, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by codewize

Don's probably outside changing his oil and filter. LOL

No way man. I have always done my own oil changes since I started driving back in 1983 (except one time). I used to cave in to the hype of oil filters and synthetic oil. Not anymore though. I use only dino oil, and whatever filter is cheapest or available at the time. Sometimes it is Purolator, sometimes it is Fram. I used to use Motorcraft filters on my Fords when I owned them, because they were available and cheap. But it has been Purolator and Fram for about 23 years now. And I will continue to use them for another 23 years. All of this oil and filter talk does not make me switch my opinion at all. And reading/hearing it in the future will not change my opinion either. I am dead set in my ways, and will not change. At one point I listened to others, and spent $4.00 per quart on oil, and stayed away from certain filters. Not anymore.

Don

clarkz71 · #**142** (**permalink**) 01-23-07, 03:07 PM

Did you read this??

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarkz71

I found this on an oil filter comparison article. Under "filters to avoid", this was the first on the list.

Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there. It features cardboard end caps for the filter element that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and frequently leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time. The stamped-metal threaded end is weakly constructed and it has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow. I had one of these filters fail in my previous car. The filter element collapsed and bits of filter and glue were circulating through my system. The oil passage to the head became blocked and the head got so hot from oil starvation that it actually melted the vacuum lines connected to it as well as the wires near it.

C66 Racing · #**143** (**permalink**) 01-23-07, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EcSTSatic

I don't know (yes I do - cost) why more manufacturers don't install remote oil filters. My diesel Mercedes had a substantial replaceable cartridge unit mounted on the firewall. You still had to drain the oil from below and let gravity do its thing, but the filter could be replaced by leaning over the fender.

The current generation 6.0L turbo diesel in the Ford F250/350 is the same way. My F350 has a huge drop in cartridge filter on top of the motor... but I can't just lean over the fender to change it - I pretty much need to climb on the bumper to reach up high enough to get to it.

JohnnyO · #**144** (**permalink**) 01-24-07, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Tornado Fuel Saver is still in business.....

There's a sucker born every minute.

Here it's AC filters in the GM's and Motorcrafts in the Fords with the occasional NAPA Gold if I happen to be by the NAPA store.

Night Wolf · #**145** (**permalink**) 01-24-07, 04:18 PM

Just to clear it up....

"Advance Auto Parts" oil *IS* Havoline.

MUGSANDLUKE · #**146** (**permalink**) 01-24-07, 08:43 PM

It's still going! Now 15 pages and counting. Way to go guys! Can you hit 21pages? I know you can do it if you try hard. Get Er Done! Almost as many laughs as a day at the boat launch watching those bozos trying to launch and retrieve their boats. You would think they didn't have thumbs. That's almost as amusing as a 15 page discussion about oil. But, I guess it occupies time for some guys that might otherwise be spent on something more productive, like re-arranging your sock drawer or counting the toothpicks in each box in your cupboard to be sure you weren't short changed by the manufacturer. But I'm rambling and taking up valuable oil discussion time. So enough for the levity, back to the oil.......................

dkozloski · #**147** (**permalink**) 01-24-07, 08:59 PM

The best bargain in oil is reclaimed crankcase drainings. That way you get a little of everything and it's cheap.

dkozloski · #**148** (**permalink**) 01-24-07, 09:03 PM

When I was a kid back in the late '50s working in a gas station we had a board to hang the emptied oil cans on and drain the dregs. The stuff collected in a can at the bottom. It worked just as good as any other oil.

EcSTSatic · #**149** (**permalink**) 01-24-07, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MUGSANDLUKE

... But I'm rambling and taking up valuable oil discussion time. So enough for the levity, back to the oil.......................

You've also added about a page yourself just talking about how long this thread is. Your point is?

lukky4u · #**150** (**permalink**) 01-26-07, 09:26 PM

well i got a question....skimmed pretty much through the 1st 14 pages trying to keep focused but couldnt do it so i'll just ask the question....up here in the northern new york area its been ranging from zero to -30 over the last 3 days...my 98 deville has had a hell of a time starting ...i have 10-40penzoil in it ...if i switch to a synthetic even if it was a Wallworld synthetic will that give me a better chance of starting in the morning?? or should i invest in a engine block heater??