starter noise, doesn't start

[Luey357]

Just finished timeserts... started to prime oil pump. Cranked over 15-20 seconds (battery started to die), hooked up charger, cranked over for another 15-20 seconds. A little smoke started to come from starter area. Shut off key. Hooked up coil and let battery charge for a few minutes and let starter cool. Tried to start and just here a "fast rotating" clicking sound from starter area. It's NOT an electrical click from relay. It's from starter area. Is it a fried solenoid? Or is it the starter? Manual just says how to diagnose starter, not solenoid. Checked local parts store and new starter is about $150 and new solenoid is $37. Any thoughts? Thanks!

[dkozloski]

You put something back together seriously wrong. Wires are swapped or grounded out. It is obviously a self induced problem. Welcome to the club of those who have dropped the ball.

[Luey357]

Originally Posted by dkozloski

You put something back together seriously wrong. Wires are swapped or grounded out. It is obviously a self induced problem. Welcome to the club of those who have dropped the ball.

I was hoping for a helpful intelligent response, but instead I get a complete idiot. This quote from Billy Madison fits perfectly here:

"Mr. Madison(kozloski), what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[dkozloski]

I apologize for telling you that you screwed up putting your car back together and you're going to have to take it apart to find your blunder. It's intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. The trouble shooting here consists of undoing the maintenance failure. If you can't find the trouble yourself maybe you can get the Pope to help you. He thinks he's infallible also. Cheers!!

[Luey357]

Originally Posted by dkozloski

I apologize for telling you that you screwed up putting your car back together and you're going to have to take it apart to find your blunder. It's intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. The trouble shooting here consists of undoing the maintenance failure. If you can't find the trouble yourself maybe you can get the Pope to help you. He thinks he's infallible also. Cheers!!

You know, here you go again. Your really a fool, so if you haven't got anything decent to say don't say it.

First off the, what part about "cranked over for 15-20 seconds" (twice) didn't you get? Second, If I put it together wrong then it would not have cranked over at all. Thirdly, What part about "a little smoke coming from starter area" didn't you get? Your the one jumping the gun and ASSuming that I put something together wrong, like your the shit.... more like shake, as in milkshake. Judging by what you typed you must be mad about getting old and forgetting stuff or maybe your job forced you into retirement, whatever the reason, quit being an arrogant jerk.

I'm just trying to get an honest opinion on what it may be (either soleniod, or starter). Maybe some ones related experiance (before I take the intake off)? Certainly not your troll thoughts. You never offered anything useful, your just here to start wars because your and you get off on it. You suck and should be banned.

This is just great, my post will be locked and I wont get any info. Thanks alot Jerk.

[ewill3rd]

I read the original post to say that it worked several times and now it won't.

It sounds to me like the bendix is stuck or not pulling in.
It's likely the solenoid but I usually service the starter as an assembly so that you have a whole new part instead of half old and half new.
Not an uncommon failure.
It just picked a bad time to fail.

[dkozloski]

Let's see if he is man enough to tell us what the problem turns out to be. If it's a coincidental failure I will admit I was wrong. I wonder If he can do the same. My theory is that he's got a wire pinched somewhere or a loose, high resistance connection that is heating a terminal and thus the smoke and no crank. It's also possible that something is bound up and putting such a load on the starter that it cooked the solenoid. Time will tell.

[dkozloski]

When someone asks for help with a problem, you really haven't done much for them if you give a politically correct answer that sends them out on the wrong trail but it's the one they want to hear. When someone has trouble with an area that they have been working with, the most obvious answer is that they did something wrong and need to correct it. The old principle of Ockham's razor. The simplest explanation to a problem is the one most likely to be correct even if it hurts your feeeeelings.

[ewill3rd]

*edit*

You may well be right, he may have made a mistake.

Heck, we could be looking at a low battery or a bad ground on the engine block.

[dkozloski]

Whoa! ewill, I was not addressing you directly but rather I was speaking rhetorically. I have a high regard for the advice you give as it is obvious you are very good at what you do. Forgive me for not expressing myself more clearly. Cheers!!