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    HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    hey i just got a 95 seville sts that decided to throw a rod out of the block under the intake(amazingly still runs lol)

    i am having a hard time finding a deal on a motor around here(northern il)...
    it seems that the 93-94 isnt right fo rsome reason and i was told the 96-99 motors may not be right either... is this true? do i have a one year motor?
    if so can a newer motor be put in with minor modification?????
    Also if i get a vin y motor will it run ok or will i need to swap out the cams?

    its a 95, vin 9...
    does anybody know what year motors can interchange with this one?
    does anybodt know where i can get a goo ddeal on motor? im a poor working man i cant afford a $1800 motor....
    thanks guys

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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    Here we go again guys.

    Umm 2 things here. If you lost a rod through the block, the motor isn't running. I promise.

    And VIN 9 in 1995? That doesn't sound right to me. Vin 9 is the signifier for 2000+ 300HP spec engines. I don't think that was an option in 95 and you're not getting an N* for $1800. I think you're looking more at $4000 - $5000 used plus installation

    And why is it that every time someone comes here looking for help claiming they have a hole in their block they can't type for crap.
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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    ok im not stupid man... im a ase certified master tech....
    I know how to decode a vin.....

    it is a 95....

    the 8th digit is a 9 NOT A Y!!!!

    and i can take a flashlight and look under the intake at the valley and i can look at a big hole in the block and i can see the crank and half a rod.... but whatever its not a rod.... a gremlin must have got in there with a hammer and liquid nitrogen and poked a hole in the block... and while he was at it he ate the two rods for lunch...2 pistons dont move but i can show a video of it running (not well but it does) on the other 6 cylinders if you still dont believe me/////lol

    I need a motor and if you cant help me with a motor or help with other year compatibility information then why talk krap? Im looking for help not somebody thinking im a total moron... there are people on this forum that do know something about cars becides you.... If you cant answer the question then shut up.....not difficult.

    This is why i never post on forums anymore everybody gets thier nose so far in some book they lose all grip on reality... the book says this, the book says that..... ugh. all i know is what im staring at and its a 95 with a vin 9 northstar...

    but thanks for all the "help"

    if anybody else would actually like to help me i would really appreciate it. If all your going to do is tell me im blind then please dont bother to post. thanks
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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    oh and $4000 USED???? YOUR GETTING SHANKED....
    GO TO CAR-PART.COM THEY RUN ABOUT $1500 BUT THANKS ANYWAYS

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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    Ok so you have a hole in your block under the intake and you're telling me that the engine runs and you can see the rod moving up and down with the engine running? I'd love to see a video of that.

    I'm not calling you a moron I just find that very very very unlikely.

    If there is a VIN 9 engine in 95 I truly apologize. Is that a 4.9 and not an N*? If that's the case that's why your seeing engines for $1500 - $1800. Yes that you will find in that price range.

    EDIT: Nope that's an N* all right. I'm sorry, a reman is about $5000. I can't even find a used one for sale anywhere, including car-part.com. VIN 9 huh? weird.
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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    The 300HP L37 is (VIN 9) in the STS and ETC and 275HP LD8 is (VIN Y)

    I have purchased 4.9s for $400 to $500 I have not purchased any NS's, but recently I tried to get a VIN 9 and discovered they are hard to find. The problem with purchasing an engine far away from you is the shipping cost..

    Check out this link too see engine specs
    http://100megsfree4.com/cadillac/cad1990/1995/CAD95.HTM

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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    I have a 1995 STS and its a Vin 9 never been changed! I had a race car run with rod through side of block once. As long as it doesn't touch anything the rest of the motor will run. It will have no power and use alot of gas.LOL LOL

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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    According to AllData that is backwards. Or at least in 2001 it's the other way around. VIN 9 is a 300HP LD8 and VIN Y is a 275 HP L37. Uhhggg

    LOL that's interesting because I'm pretty sure you're correct. No I know you're correct. How the heck can AllData be wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by BodybyFisher View Post
    The 300HP L37 is (VIN 9) in the STS and ETC and 275HP LD8 is (VIN Y)
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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    I believe another forum member has purchased a rebuilt engine from these guys. They have a 3 yr unlimited mile warranty.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/93-99...QQcmdZViewItem

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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    See i told you man.. I swear to you i drove it off of the trailer and into my garage..... ran like total krap and it spews oil everywhere but it does run still amazingly enough.....
    What freaked me out is how it poked a hole in the valley but not in the side of the block or the oil pan... i guess the velley must have the thinnest ammount of metal there or something.. whatever its dead lol..

    Had your nose too far up a book lol....
    alldata??? = NODATA LOL That program is great for some stuff but totally fails in the real world sometimes too...
    alldata does not know all ..none of those programs do...

    Yeah i have found that if i had a vin y motor, theyre everywhere! SO whenever i need a n* for my 99 deville ill be good...
    The "high" horse vin 9 is alot harder to find.. I think the only real diff is the cams and ecm....as far as i know..

    I was hoping somebody could tell me what other year motors i could use, or if i could mabye use a vin y block crank+pistons with my vin 9 heads+cams.

    If my seville was a 96 with obd2 any 96-99 motor would probhably work for me fine according to hollander interchange(another book lol) but my sts is that in-between 95 year so nobody knows lol.. just my luck..

    It sucks so bad because this car is very very nice and id like to start driving it soon.

    I may have to try a 96-up motor and let you guys know how it goes....
    Unless somebody is a cadillac-pimp and has already been in this situation...
    thanks so far for the input guys...
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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    Quote Originally Posted by codewize View Post
    According to AllData that is backwards. Or at least in 2001 it's the other way around. VIN 9 is a 300HP LD8 and VIN Y is a 275 HP L37. Uhhggg

    LOL that's interesting because I'm pretty sure you're correct. No I know you're correct. How the heck can AllData be wrong.
    I don't know, but it's wrong.

    Vin 9 is, and has always been the L37, the 300hp engine.

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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    Well I guess I owe you my humble apologies. I usually don't go to the book but while I was looking at TSB's for something else I stumbled across that image just as we were discussing this. I am truly amazed at the fact that it's clearly wrong. I guess I should write them and tell them.

    Anyway I am also amazed at the fact that the engine starts at all with a piston totally missing and a whole in the block. I would think something would surely get jammed in there.
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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99cadillacman View Post
    i am having a hard time finding a deal on a motor around here(northern il)...
    it seems that the 93-94 isnt right fo rsome reason and i was told the 96-99 motors may not be right either... is this true? do i have a one year motor?
    if so can a newer motor be put in with minor modification?????
    Also if i get a vin y motor will it run ok or will i need to swap out the cams?
    95 is an odd year. It's OBDI with the later style plastic intake.

    Your block/heads are compatible with the 96-99 engines. You will find that the 96-99 engines have a knock sensor under the intake. 95 I think is on the side near the exhaust manifold. So you may have to drill and tap a hole for it.

    If you get a complete engine, basically you'll just have to swap the throttle body and spacer from your 95 over to the 96, and tap (maybe - it might be there still on the 96) the knock sensor hole. Everything else should be the same.

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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    I'm pretty sure ALL OBD-I sensors have different plugs than OBD-II sensors. You'd have to change ALL of that stuff. Pretty much, I think you need a '95 vin 9 or swap all the electricals.

    I could be wrong, please correct me. But I don't want you goin' out and buyin' an engine for it not to hook up to anything.

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    Re: HOLe IN MY BLOCK-D'OH! ??motors around?

    Quote Originally Posted by ELDOminator View Post
    I could be wrong, please correct me.
    You are.

    The only things that change from 95 to 96+ are the TPS and Idle motor, which are bolted on to the throttle body that he would need to swap over anyways. MAP sensor is the same.

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