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    Hi all my name is david,
    I just bought my son a 97 deville i think the starter may be bad but here are the probs.I got the car from a lady that drove it into some high water it stalled and she tried to restart it .she said it tried to turn over a couple of time then nada so she got it pulled home and let it dry out.her husband tried to start it a couple of weeks later and still nothing a new battery and still nothing.So here it is 6 mths later and we have the car.It eill be my sons first car but we need to get it running.Do you folks have any suggestions?Could it be the starter shorted out?If so how and where is it located it would be the first spot i guess to check.It does click when trying to turn it over,any help would be appreciated.
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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidr View Post
    Hi all my name is david,
    I just bought my son a 97 deville i think the starter may be bad but here are the probs.I got the car from a lady that drove it into some high water it stalled and she tried to restart it .she said it tried to turn over a couple of time then nada so she got it pulled home and let it dry out.her husband tried to start it a couple of weeks later and still nothing a new battery and still nothing.So here it is 6 mths later and we have the car.It eill be my sons first car but we need to get it running.Do you folks have any suggestions?Could it be the starter shorted out?If so how and where is it located it would be the first spot i guess to check.It does click when trying to turn it over,any help would be appreciated.
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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    Um pull spark plugs and release the water in cyclinder probally hydrolocked...the with the plugs out crank it over the rods may be bent...

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    She said it was not over the hood but it was up to the front bumper.I pulled the plugs they looked fine it still would not crank though.I was just wondering if it might have blown a fuse or shorted the starter or solinoid?I cant even find the d#$%n starter on this thing.

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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidr View Post
    She said it was not over the hood but it was up to the front bumper.I pulled the plugs they looked fine it still would not crank though.I was just wondering if it might have blown a fuse or shorted the starter or solinoid?I cant even find the d#$%n starter on this thing.
    The starter is under the intake manifold. It's about an hour job to get it out and back in.
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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    That sounds like awful deep water. I wonder if she didn't hydrolock it. Starter, as mentioned is high & dry under the intake. Does it make any noise at all when you turn the key?

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    No noise other than the clicking.I already pulled the plugs and it still would not turn i did this last week.I am wondering about mayby a relay or something?
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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    Pull the plugs again. Put a wrench on the crankshaft dampener bolt, and see if you can spin the engine at all.

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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    the clicking most likely is the starter trying to turn over, try this first so we can all go shwewwwwwww then post back....

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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    Well it does look like it is locked up.I could not turn the thing at all.No oil leaks.so mayby i should try a rebuild?What do you folks think?I cant belive i did not try to turn the thing over i just figured the starter was shot!!!rack one up for dumb rass.Any thoughts folks?
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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    well get those spark plugs out shoot some air in the cyclinders to clean the water out....get some WD-40 and coat those cyclinders good, let it sit overnight, then bet your biggest breaker bar out and start turning it get it so it is easy then use the starter as an assist, clean out those cyclinders before you reinstall the plugs....say a couple hail marys, sprinkle some holy water on it and pray no rods bent......

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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    I can't remember where I heard it, but I want to say that there is some penetrating oil that is marketed for or does a good job at this exact thing. It uses the same process as the one tech described. Maybe it was here that I heard about it. There was a thread about a poor guy whos engine was hydrolocked and some butt-head laughed at him and the same thing happened to him.

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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    If the engine hydrolocked it probably bent the connecting rods.

    Did you drain the oil? If it hasn't been changed it should have water in it. If it's very clean it probably was changed. Hydrolocking locks the engine while the water is in the cylinders, once you get the water out it should spin. If it was left for months with the water in it the cylinders are probably rusty. The easiest fix would be a used engine.

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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    A hydrolocked engine is covered under comprehensive! My son did it to his Jeep. His insc replaced the short block.

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    Re: Need a little starting help?

    Quote Originally Posted by zonie77 View Post
    If the engine hydrolocked it probably bent the connecting rods.

    Did you drain the oil? If it hasn't been changed it should have water in it. If it's very clean it probably was changed. Hydrolocking locks the engine while the water is in the cylinders, once you get the water out it should spin. If it was left for months with the water in it the cylinders are probably rusty. The easiest fix would be a used engine.
    That would be my vote it indeed it is hydrolocked.

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