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    Re: Bar's Leaks "Head Gasket Repair" / Oil Additives

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    If it sounds too good to be true ........
    It may be a band aid at best.
    Thousands of complaints on Bar's head gasket fix. Bar's is not working on aluminum heads. Used to work on very old engines with iron heads and iron blocks
    But, Bar's is falling behind on everything and not having the product needed on today hotter engines

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymaker View Post
    The question about the Barsí stop leak for blown head gaskets as came up before and I responded to that post and I will repeat my response for you in hopes of saving someone some money and time.
    I tried it twice and it failed twice (I just couldnít believe the Barís hadnít worked. the first time so I tried it again). My í97 SLS was suffering from the classic loss of coolant by way of the expansion tank. When I disassembled my N* to install the time-serts and replace the head gaskets the Barís stop leak material was piled up about one inch deep in the bottom of the water-jacket at all four corners (at the bottom toward the outside of cylinders 1, 2, 7 and 8). Both head gaskets were blown on my engine and I used the Barís twice so the way I see it the Barís head gasket stop leak had four chances. Four-time loser in my book and the stuff isnít cheap by a long shot. I wasted a lot of antifreeze, time and money in this little experiment. It all would have been worth it if had only worked but it didnít. Spend your money on the time-sert kit and head gaskets. Do it right the first time and get it over with.

    BTW I have used other Barís products with good success for over forty-years so I was very surprised when thid one didnít work.
    Bar's is not working on today's hotter engines, having aluminum heads. Used to work before on very old engines with iron heads
    Bar's is not having the technical how how to repair hotter heads

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    Quote Originally Posted by Submariner409 View Post
    This is certainly a twist on a 4.8 year old thread!

    .....and eyekandy is correct: the Northstar problem is not due to a static gasket failure or a crack; it's due to a gradual loosening of one or more head bolts due to block thread failure. You're trying to pour cement into a moving San Andreas fault............it won't work. (Maybe until the next earthquake...........)
    Printed on Bar's bottle #1111: Use on hard to stop leaks, even on NORTHSTAR head gasket and other severe leaks like intake gaskets
    Bar's wants you to buy the bottle, even when is not working on that problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by blunted View Post
    Has anyone had success with their Oil stop leak additives?
    The application for Bar's Head Gasket Fix # 1111 was rejected and trademark not accepted ON AUGUST 28, 2009. Bar's Patent was not approved.
    Barís tried hard to get a patent approval for 3 years, 2007, 2008 and 2009, but was always rejected.
    Barís business poor credibility and unproven facts on product reliability was a big factor on patent rejection and not approved.
    Barís is not having good credibility and got continuous patent rejections.
    ALL THE INFORMATION POSTED HERE IS ON THE INTERNET.

    UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE.
    ________________________________________
    Commissioner for Trademarks
    P.O. Box 1451
    Alexandria, VA 22313-1451

    Aug 28, 2009
    NOTICE OF ABANDONMENT

    ________________________________________
    SERIAL NUMBER:
    MARK:
    APPLICANT: 77/261335
    HEAD GASKET FIX
    Bar's Products, Inc.
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    THE ABOVE IDENTIFIED TRADEMARK APPLICATION WAS ABANDONED IN FULL ON 07/30/2009 FOR THE FOLLOWING REASON:
    NO RESPONSE TO THE OFFICE ACTION MAILED ON 01/30/2009 WAS RECEIVED IN THE UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE (USPTO) WITHIN THE SIX-MONTH RESPONSE PERIOD. (15 U.S.C. 1062(b); TRADEMARK RULE 2.65(a)).
    Why Barís Products is located in Michigan?

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    Bar's ruined cars, won't work on aliminum heads

    Bar’s ruined my car, won’t work on aluminum heads
    I'm back here at this forum over again, because Bar's Products/Bar's Head gasket fix # 1111 damaged my whole engine and parts and never paid the $7,000 for damages. It happened 5 months ago and no money received on my claim

    I borrowed other people experiences on Bar's head gasket fix, because I feel terrible bad and I'm keep doing some investigation on Bar's Products

    www.barsleaks www.barsproducts
    Bar’ Head Gasket Fix # 1111 product used and reported by a mechanic
    Its kinda a PITA (pain in the ****, a major annoyance) sometimes though when you actually go to do the head gasket later on. The stuff kind of "welds" itself between the gasket and the block and head. One time we had an old FJ (Toyota) that we were trying to do a HG on, and obviously someone used some sealer on it before. We had everything undone, and had a cherry picker hooked to it pulling up. We kept thinking we forgot a bolt or something, and as we were poking around in there the head just totally popped off. Just about hit me in the head haha. Cleaning all the sh** off it was the biggest PITA ever haha. I had to hammer and chisel it off carefully, and even then didn’t get it all. We just ended up taking it to a machine shop and they got the rest off somehow. Just letting you know. Also, it doesn’t always work. We had a lot of cars come in with blown HG's (mostly Subaru’s), and it worked on like 1 out of 6 or 7, and it only lasted a little while. It is definitely not a permanent fix.

    Bar’s not going anywhere on aluminum heads
    The question about the Bars’ stop leak for blown head gaskets as came up before and I responded to that post and I will repeat my response for you in hopes of saving someone some money and time. I tried it twice and it failed twice (I just couldn’t believe the Bar’s hadn’t worked. the first time so I tried it again). My ’97 SLS was suffering from the classic loss of coolant by way of the expansion tank. When I disassembled my N* to install the time-serts and replace the head gaskets the Bar’s stop leak material was piled up about one inch deep in the bottom of the water-jacket at all four corners (at the bottom toward the outside of cylinders 1, 2, 7 and 8). I used the Bar’s twice so the way I see it the Bar’s head gasket stop leak had four chances. Four-time loser in my book and the stuff isn’t cheap by a long shot. I wasted a lot of antifreeze, time and money in this little experiment. It all would have been worth it if had only worked but it didn’t. Spend your money on the time-sert kit and head gaskets. Do it right the first time and get it over with.
    I have used other Bar’s products with good success for over forty-years so I was very surprised when this one didn’t work. As technology change on motors and cars, Bar’s should be put to rest forever. I’m pissed for the bad experience with Bar’s

    AJ, AVON, IN
    "Used it exactly as instructed on my 98 Subaru Legacy. It did nothing to correct the overheating problem, but it did noticeably clog the heater core. For the money, it seemed like a reasonable thing to try to get a month or two of normal driving before I come up with the money for repair. The first thing I noticed when I got into the car was that heater was blowing cold air. The car overheated some 5 minutes into my trip. As I was pulling over to let it cool, the upper radiator hose blew off. I had some coolant in the car, so I refilled and tightened the radiator hose. Let the car cool for a bit, then turned around to go back, and the upper rad hose blew off again. The radiator cap was new from the dealer, so couldn't have been that. Definitely would NOT recommend this product, as my car was ok to drive short distances before I used it. Now I can't even drive it to the repair

    BjK Texas
    Bar’s Head Gasket product is definitely the cause, after using the product, the vehicle went from being drivable on runs up to 30 minutes, to overheating after driving just 2 or 3 miles across town... almost instantly .now, regardless of the product, the overheating problem had been getting progressively worse over time. In the winter it was a non-issue, but as the weather warmed up, it became an issue again. The problem was first prevalent in fall of '09, at which time i could drive the vehicle for an hour or more before overheating. This spring, prior to using this product, drive time had diminished to about 30 minutes. Immediately after using this product, drive time plummeted to just a few minutes."

    Vic
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    Casual driver
    "Based on the reviews I gave it a shot. It appeared that it may work. When I put it in the radiator and followed the directions on the bottle, the steam almost stopped coming out of the tailpipe. I let the car sit a full two days before I took it on the road. Within five miles it was blowing water out the tailpipe and the temperature started rapidly going up. Waste of my time and effort. The product does not work as they try to claim. I am now convinced when you have a head gasket problem there is only one real cure, REPLACE THE GASKET and forget the miracle cures."


    Bar’s Products owners are corrupted people and swindlers, having thousands of complaints on the product that damaged engines and all cooling parts
    Bar's head gasket do not work on aluminum heads. Used to work on very old engines with iron heads and iron blocks
    Bar’s never paid a dime on claims. Bar’s keeps begging to people in the internet to buy its products, but this old product should be kicked out from all shelves
    Bar’s owners are living in the state of Michigan, where even the rats are getting the heck out
    The best Bar’s owners can do, is to go to a retirement home and spend the rest of their lives in there, if they can get away from lawsuits.
    Bar’s Products owners, allergically avoid contact with people, thinking that the car repo-man may come to take their cars for no making the car payments


    Bar’s president, Robert J Mermuys lives a primitive life no having clean water in his house.
    Fenton Water and Power Company do not provide any water to Robert J Mermuys house
    Robert J Mermuys house is having a septic tank
    (where went all the fakes and bogus millions of bottles sold?

    THESE FAKERS NEEDS URGENT A BRAIN SURGERY!.
    IT'S VERY HARD TO MAKE A LIVING SELLING A FEW BOTTLES OF WHATEVER ON THE NET
    Robert J Mermuys applied for a permit to drill a water well, but it was denied.
    Perhaps the Fenton Water and Power Company got the gut feeling that those swindlers will bottle waste water and resell in the market as PERRIER WATER!
    ONCE A CROOK, ALWAYS A CROOK!

    The issue is not that you can't expect much from a product like Bar's
    Bar's Products rips off customers and duped them by thousands and thousands, telling them that Bar's is a permanent fix
    We have Consumers Protection Laws and the Government Agency must put a stop on all that
    A car is not a toy, products like Bar's do a lot of damages to car engines
    Do you think the people have to foot the bill and shut up?

    Please help and do no scam me with your scams and nonsense views

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    You used mechanic in a bottle and now are complaining and filing a claim against bars leak because it didn't work...

    Guess what YOU DID IT not bars leak.

    People like you sicken me. Go sue McDonalds because you spilled coffee on yourself or Nabisco because you got fat on Oreo cookies.

    No mechanic in a bottle is going to retorque the head bolts back down or repair the stripped threads. N*s don't blow hgs they pull head bolts.
    Seriously own up for your own failures and move on.

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    The reason it didn't work has nothing to do with aluminum heads or an aluminum block. It didn't work because the bolt hole threads in the block failed, and the heads are no longer securely attached to the block. The gaps between the head gasket/s and mating surfaces are ever changing and widening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1BadCadSTS View Post
    You used mechanic in a bottle and now are complaining and filing a claim against bars leak because it didn't work...

    Guess what YOU DID IT not bars leak.

    People like you sicken me. Go sue McDonalds because you spilled coffee on yourself or Nabisco because you got fat on Oreo cookies.

    No mechanic in a bottle is going to retorque the head bolts back down or repair the stripped threads. N*s don't blow hgs they pull head bolts.
    Seriously own up for your own failures and move on.
    This

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    Re: Bar's ruined cars, won't work on aliminum heads

    Quote Originally Posted by markhunter View Post
    $7,000 for damages.
    $7000? For what? That was your 2nd mistake.
    The stuff kind of "welds" itself between the gasket and the block and head. I had to hammer and chisel it off carefully, and even then didn’t get it all.
    Then why didn't it work?

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    Re: Bar's ruined cars, won't work on aliminum heads

    Quote Originally Posted by 1BadCadSTS View Post
    You used mechanic in a bottle and now are complaining and filing a claim against bars leak because it didn't work...

    Guess what YOU DID IT not bars leak.

    People like you sicken me. Go sue McDonalds because you spilled coffee on yourself or Nabisco because you got fat on Oreo cookies.

    No mechanic in a bottle is going to retorque the head bolts back down or repair the stripped threads. N*s don't blow hgs they pull head bolts.
    Seriously own up for your own failures and move on.
    Do no scam me with your scams and nonsense views
    Nobody ask you your opinion. No stripped threads. My car is not a Northstart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aztec ETC ECS View Post
    $7000? For what? That was your 2nd mistake.

    Then why didn't it work?
    Stop using your magic ball. $7,000 for engine damaged. Bar's clogged everything beyond repair. No water circulation and passages completed clogged, then follow
    engine overheated and engine damaged
    It doesn't work on more than 65% of repairs

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    What exactly is the point of this thread? Snake oils don't work? You don't say!

    Scams and nonsense views? Huh?

    I'm assuming you don't have anything post Northstar. If you have something pre Northstar (4.X ?), replacement isn't worth nearly $7K.

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    Re: Bar's ruined cars, won't work on aliminum heads

    I am amazed it took so many times to learn that that stuff doesn't repair anything. The cooling is a closed cycle, so where else should the excess go then clogging up your system?

    If you have the skills to do a proper HG job, then why go 'cheap' to end up expensive and pissed off? And why multiple times???
    Hard learners are destined to get hit somehow someway sometime....

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    Quote Originally Posted by markhunter
    Do no scam me with your scams and nonsense views
    Nobody ask you your opinion. No stripped threads. My car is not a Northstart

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    Stop using your magic ball. $7,000 for engine damaged. Bar's clogged everything beyond repair. No water circulation and passages completed clogged, then follow
    engine overheated and engine damaged

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    Stop using your magic ball. $7,000 for engine damaged. Bar's clogged everything beyond repair. No water circulation and passages completed clogged, then follow
    engine overheated and engine damaged
    It doesn't work on more than 65% of repairs

    You wear a tin foil hat don't you?

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    Re: Bar's ruined cars, won't work on aliminum heads

    I'm sorry, but anyone that expects this stuff to be anything but a temporary repair, if it works at all, is surprised when it does what it did & spends $7000 for a $3000 job is just a Nitwitted Retarde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markhunter View Post
    My car is not a Northstart
    What is/was it?

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    Re: Bar's ruined cars, won't work on aliminum heads

    Please click on the OP's username, open his profile, and look at his previous 18 posts in CF. He has an axe to grind with Bar's Leaks products and CF appears to be one of his outlets. He does not own a Cadillac, according to his profile.

    Closed - thread going into the gutter - rapidly.

    EDIT: This closed thread from Seville has been merged with an identical rant by markhunter in Engines, Northstar Performance
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    They don't call that snake oil "Miracle In A Bottle" for nothing. If you are gullible enough to believe the marketing hype that any magic potion in a bottle can repair a motor, then you have no one to blame but yourself. Some people just have to learn the hard way. In the school of hard knocks, the test comes before the lesson. You just learned a very expensive lesson. Here's your diploma.

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    Re: Bar's Leaks "Head Gasket Repair" / Oil Additives

    markhunter appears to have an axe to grind concerning Bar's Leaks products. Witness his other rant in Seville - a closed thread.

    He dredges this Bar's rant up every few months - must have been a boring evening last night ......... I'll merge his essentially identical thread from Seville with this one. Lots of reading.

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