Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far. - Page 3
Cadillac
 

Cadillac Forums | Help Us Help You | Advertise | Cadillac Parts | Cadillac News | Cadillac Classifieds / (Old System)

Cadillac Technical Archive | Cadillac Dealers | Cadillac Reviews | Cadillac Dealer Reviews | Cadillac Vendors

CadillacForums.com is the premier Cadillac Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
+ Reply to Thread
Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 67
Like Tree21Likes
Northstar Engines and System Technical Discussion Discussion, Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far. in Cadillac Engine Technical Discussion; Any pics would be cool ! Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App...
  1. #31
    SUPER LAC DEVILLE's Avatar
    SUPER LAC DEVILLE is offline Cadillac Owners Enthusiast
    Automobile(s): 1998 Cadillac Deville
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Tampa Florida
    Age
    36
    Posts
    808
    Any pics would be cool !


    Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App

  2. #32
    98eldo32v's Avatar
    98eldo32v is offline Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
    Automobile(s): 98 eldo/KD54 w/N37,T96,QA1,D55,DS3,U1Z. U3R next
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,871

    Re: Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far.

    The left head is in place on the block!!

    I cleaned the deck surface with lacquer thinner, then the head. I installed the dowels pins. ( The CCC dowel pins need improvement, they'll get the job done but low quality) I then slid the headgasket down onto the block.

    The real fun was the head.

    Holding the head at the at the front (facing the timing cover) and the rear (facing the transmission), I positioned the head over the studs and checked for their ease into the holes.

    The head started to ease it's way down then stopped almost at the bottom. Ironically, I had to give it a few good shoves to make it the rest of the way then it stopped on the dowel pins.

    I figured a block of wood and a few strategic taps will would seat the head, I was wrong. I had to get the nuts and washers out and altenate a tightening sequence to seat the heat to the block.

    It's flush, but not torqued into place yet.


    So far..... so good.....

  3. #33
    Submariner409's Avatar
    Submariner409 is offline If it won't run, chrome it
    Automobile(s): 2002.5 F55 STS/65500mi, 2004 Ford F150 SuperCab4x4
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    MD Eastern Shore - Kent Island
    Age
    74
    Posts
    44,537

    Re: Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by 98eldo32v View Post
    I figured a block of wood and a few strategic taps will would seat the head, I was wrong. I had to get the nuts and washers out and altenate a tightening sequence to seat the heat to the block.
    I don't like that description - ^^^ - not one bit. The head should slide down to the block like smooth velvet, seating flat with no strain anywhere.

    Before you set the cams, redo your torque sequence at the last (highest) torque value.

  4. #34
    JoeTahoe is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 2001 GMC SLT,Tahoe, Malibu LTZ, 99 STS studded with NP
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Central, NY
    Age
    46
    Posts
    438
    You had to beat the head too get it over the dowel?

  5. #35
    83CADMAN's Avatar
    83CADMAN is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 83 Eldorado, 90 Seville, 94 Concours
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Pacific Northwest
    Age
    59
    Posts
    449

    Re: Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTahoe View Post
    You had to beat the head too get it over the dowel?
    I don't like the sounds of that!!!
    I'm in the process of drill & tapping for CCC studs / Guide pins. I thought the replacement pins I recieved were low grade but likewise they would get the job done.

  6. #36
    98eldo32v's Avatar
    98eldo32v is offline Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
    Automobile(s): 98 eldo/KD54 w/N37,T96,QA1,D55,DS3,U1Z. U3R next
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,871

    Re: Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far.

    Gentleman,

    Unless we're drilling with presicion machines and fixtures, there is going to be some room for error. How much depends on the accurracy if the individual involved and their skill level pertaining to these things.

    For one, you can never compare the wimpy head bolt to the stud.

    The hole drilled for the stud is at least two times larger than the bolt. The thread pitch is what eliminates the pulling out of the aluminum due to the coarse pitch of the stud versus the fine pitch of the bolt. Due to the fact that the "clamping" force is now induced from the nut and washer on the stud versus the bolt alone in the aluminum, rentention of the head should be superior.

    There was no beating of the head over anything. I don't like those dowel pins. They'll work and obviously has worked on many cars that CCC has repaired, but personally the construction/ material leaves much to be desired.

    If the studs need to be tweaked in any direction, as stated by Northstarperformance and CCC in their instructions the heads ISN'T going to slide on exactly "velvety" smooth. That is because of the human error angle. Therefore if a particular stud has been tweaked then it has the possibility of slowing the sliding of the head into it's final position.

    What has to be used in this situation is caution and common sense. You can't just hammer one side down and then move to the other. You have to gently move the head into position as a "unit". Think of it as putting a lid on a coffee can. You have to go around the lid until it is seated on the can.

    If you have to use the nuts and washers to alternately get the head into position, so be it. Gently position head onto the deck.

    You re still dealing with solid fixtures per se'. The block is a solid fixture, the head is a solid fixture, the stud is a solid fixture. Out of those three, which is going to be the most flexible if needing a tweak to position itself?

  7. #37
    big greg is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 2006 dts
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Age
    29
    Posts
    255
    Just seems like the tightness of the pins will tale away some of the desired "crush" of the gasket caused by the torque specs, you think putting oil on the threads can change this, seems like a tight pin would as well. I mean depending how tight

  8. #38
    98eldo32v's Avatar
    98eldo32v is offline Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
    Automobile(s): 98 eldo/KD54 w/N37,T96,QA1,D55,DS3,U1Z. U3R next
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,871

    Re: Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far.

    No oil on the threads.

    That is going to affect the overall torque readings when torquing the heads down.

  9. #39
    big greg is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 2006 dts
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Age
    29
    Posts
    255
    Maybe the aluminum is the difference? I've always read/ did to put oil on threads when torquing

  10. #40
    JoeTahoe is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 2001 GMC SLT,Tahoe, Malibu LTZ, 99 STS studded with NP
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Central, NY
    Age
    46
    Posts
    438
    I have studded 6 northstar engines with Northstar Performance studs the last 4 with the same new x pattern jig with 0 alignment problems. This is were I think a jig will help a diyer, now this is just me thinking out loud and my experience.

  11. #41
    98eldo32v's Avatar
    98eldo32v is offline Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
    Automobile(s): 98 eldo/KD54 w/N37,T96,QA1,D55,DS3,U1Z. U3R next
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,871

    Re: Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far.

    I have the northstar kit with the first design square plate.

    I'd like to updgrade that plate to the "x" plate. I hear the bolts are different on the "x" plate versus the first gen plate.

    I haven't used my kit yet, but I am going to on my eldo rebuild that I'm going to jump on after I install this motor back into the car.

    I'd like to swap the first gen plate for the second gen "x" if possible.

  12. #42
    JoeTahoe is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 2001 GMC SLT,Tahoe, Malibu LTZ, 99 STS studded with NP
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Central, NY
    Age
    46
    Posts
    438
    I have the old plate too, I did my sts and a Eldorado with that with 0 alignment issues. I like the x plate better

    ----------

    I also only use a air drill that the rpms are very low

    ----------

    450 rpm free speed
    98eldo32v and 98eldo32v like this.

  13. #43
    98eldo32v's Avatar
    98eldo32v is offline Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
    Automobile(s): 98 eldo/KD54 w/N37,T96,QA1,D55,DS3,U1Z. U3R next
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    1,871

    Re: Drilling and Tapping The Northstar V8......my personal experience so far.

    Left head is torqued into place.......

    The right head is on.... but not torqued.


    We're rolling down hill now.........

  14. #44
    stoveguyy is offline Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
    Automobile(s): 96 STS, 140k
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    mpls mn
    Posts
    2,485
    Which head had issues with stud alignment? Seems to me u could put head on and than install studs. Since they only lightly screw into block. I assume u need to push heads down onto alignment dowels. Sort of a loose press fit?

  15. #45
    JoeTahoe is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 2001 GMC SLT,Tahoe, Malibu LTZ, 99 STS studded with NP
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Central, NY
    Age
    46
    Posts
    438
    That would be very difficult to do

Quick Reply Quick Reply

Register Now

Please enter the name by which you would like to log-in and be known on this site.
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.

Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Bookmarks

Cadillac Posting Rules

  • You may post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Read about Lincoln | Buick | Kia Forte Forum
Need products for your Cadillac? Check out your options at the links below:

custom floor mats | Cadillac Chrome and Black Chrome Wheels | window tinting