Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks! - Page 2
Cadillac
 

Cadillac Forums | Help Us Help You | Advertise | Cadillac Parts | Cadillac News | Cadillac Classifieds / (Old System)

Cadillac Technical Archive | Cadillac Dealers | Cadillac Reviews | Cadillac Dealer Reviews | Cadillac Vendors

CadillacForums.com is the premier Cadillac Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 39
Like Tree4Likes
Northstar Engines and System Technical Discussion Discussion, Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks! in Cadillac Engine Technical Discussion; You have to remove the intake as the starter sits below it...
  1. #16
    JoeTahoe is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 2001 GMC SLT,Tahoe, Malibu LTZ, 99 STS studded with NP
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Central, NY
    Age
    46
    Posts
    462
    You have to remove the intake as the starter sits below it

  2. #17
    Ranger's Avatar
    Ranger is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Automobile(s): White Diamond '03 DHS (with DTS floor shift)
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Woodstock Ill.
    Age
    66
    Posts
    74,555

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by da324 View Post
    Hi,
    I see where you said 95-99's intake don't have to be removed. How do I get to the starter on a 96 Seville out without removing the intake? Isn't it inside the intake manifold? I'm comfortable with tools, but not sure how to take it out without removing the intake. Thanks, Donnie..
    The starter is in the valley, UNDER the intake, not in it. If you read post #1 again you'll see that he is saying you can "lift" the intake and work under it without actually disconnecting the fuel line and removing it, but that was with the nylon fuel rails (most of which have been replaced with stainless steel.
    Attached Images

  3. #18
    da324's Avatar
    da324 is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Clearwater, Fla
    Posts
    99

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Mine has the stainless lines. Do those have to be taken off to get to the starter, or can they be propped up Thanks..

  4. #19
    vincentm's Avatar
    vincentm is offline Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
    Automobile(s): 1997 Cadillac Eldorado ETC
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Kennewick WA
    Age
    36
    Posts
    4,729
    Quote Originally Posted by da324 View Post
    Mine has the stainless lines. Do those have to be taken off to get to the starter, or can they be propped up Thanks..
    I removed mine, just unseat it at the base of the injectors

  5. #20
    wr eller is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Automobile(s): Cadillac
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    6

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    OK - This looks promising - I have a 2001 Northstar. a few questions... When you say "Remove intake bolts" Does that include the 3 bolts that mount the intake manifold to the aluminum throttle? What/where is the "coolant crossover". My fuel rail is black plastic/nylon with to steel leads at the end - does it apply to this thread (can I keep it intact)?
    Thanks

  6. #21
    maeng9981's Avatar
    maeng9981 is offline Cadillac Owners Connoisseur
    Automobile(s): 14 SRX, 12 Sierra, 00 SLS, 99 Deville 50-year Anniversary
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Age
    23
    Posts
    3,227

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Quote Originally Posted by wr eller View Post
    Does that include the 3 bolts that mount the intake manifold to the aluminum throttle?
    Thanks
    For a 2001, the intake is held down by 10 bolts and the coupling with the throttle body is done by an "intake plenum" which is prone to cracking. It's unlike the previous Northstars, where the intake manifold is connected with the throttle body with allen key bolts, if I remember correctly. You can either remove the intake manifold leaving the plenum intact with the throttle body, or remove the intake manifold WITH the plenum by removing the mentioned three bolts. Your choice. I had to remove fuel rail + injectors on a 2000 (2001 the same) to get easier access to the intake manifold bolts.


  7. #22
    wr eller is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Automobile(s): Cadillac
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    6

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Wow - thanks for the quick response !!!

    It seems that we (you and I) are unlucky enough to have the year(s) where the fuel rail + injectors must be removed :>(

    I am a pretty decent "do-it-yourselfer" (changing Oil + Filter, rotors, brake pads, radiator, plugs, coil banks, etc) but, never before removed injectors + rail.

    Any insight/help/instructions would be much appreciated - (i.e., how do I not spew gas everywhere, is there a specific order to the removal :>) ?

    Thanks

  8. #23
    Submariner409's Avatar
    Submariner409 is offline If it won't run, install a sound system
    Automobile(s): 2002.5 F55 STS/65500mi, 2004 Ford F150 SuperCab4x4
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    MD Eastern Shore - Kent Island
    Age
    74
    Posts
    45,594

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Look through Cadillac Tech Tips down in Discussions or Google "cadillac forums 2001 northstar intake manifold removal".

    It's not rocket science, but a couple of hoops to jump through. The manifold bolt torque is 7.5 lb/ft. Not much - get carried away and you crack the bolt bosses = new manifold. Smear a drop of engine oil on the upper and lower injector O-rings before you replace the fuel rail.

    Replace the plenum at the same time. Google the same ^^^ except substitute "plenum". $16, with seals, from RockAuto. Dorman brand. A Cadillac dealer wants some ludicrous price for the seals alone - staggering ripoff. NAPA has them, too.

    Pictures and part numbers in my 2 albums - the Community tab, Albums, the red Seville.

  9. #24
    wr eller is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Automobile(s): Cadillac
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    6

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Got it - I just put the new starter in - I will replace the rest tomorrow. It was not too bad - the key, disconnect wires from injectors, remove 3 bolts attaching intake plenum to throtle body. Fuel line lifts right off, Intake follows without much effort. Then you see in the cavity what you have been working towards for 2 days (the Starter). I changed that in 10 minutes

    Thanks for everything

  10. #25
    wr eller is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Automobile(s): Cadillac
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    6

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Still screwed - replaced the started, all vacuum hosed - gas line, reconnected battery - etc, etc, etc --- Car won't start :>(. Turn the key - hear a click. Turn the key in the ignition setting, run the gear shift through all the settings a couple of times, retry to start - AI hear the starter kick in then, it doesn't turn the motor. A weeke ago, I could go through this cycle a few times and eventually it would start. A few days back - this approach no longer worked so, I assume the starter gave out. Replaced the starter, same thing as Monday. Battery at 13.4 volts. Can anyone advise me on this?

    ----------

    OK - so I p[laced the car in neutral - turn the key - started right up. It has been starting in Park ever since. What is the problem? I also noticed a little gas leak from one of my injectors - Not enougfh oil on the injector O ring?

  11. #26
    Submariner409's Avatar
    Submariner409 is offline If it won't run, install a sound system
    Automobile(s): 2002.5 F55 STS/65500mi, 2004 Ford F150 SuperCab4x4
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    MD Eastern Shore - Kent Island
    Age
    74
    Posts
    45,594

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    The engine should start in either N or P. maybe there's a glitch in the Internal Mode Switch (your 2001) or the main transmission wiring harness connector needs cleaning/drying. The large umbilical cord that loops out of the left (front) side of the transmission - down below the water pump cover area.

    The IMS is inside the transmission, on the lower valve body, operated by a long shaft from the shift cable quadrant on the transmission top - in front of your gas pedal foot.

  12. #27
    wr eller is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Automobile(s): Cadillac
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    6

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Well - at least I got the injector to stop leaking :>) I have never played with the trannie so, I will have to try to find what this harness looks like - It sounds like this will be the easier of 2 things to check. How do I get to the IMS?
    Thanks

    ----------

    When I turn the ignition key, the console lights dim but all I hear is a faint click. When I run the shifter through all the gears, the (new) starter sometimes engages but, never fully turns. I keep at it in that fashion (run the stick through all the gears) and eventually it starts. Starts a few time without this approach then, when I turn it off (w/o notice, warning) – it just won’t start again.
    My mechanic told me to change the starter (instead of paying him $600). It did not help

  13. #28
    devilledts is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Automobile(s): 2002 dts
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Age
    44
    Posts
    14

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Check your battery connections and battery voltage a weak battery or battery going bad gives these symptoms i seen it before with the Cadillacs I own did you bench test old starter after you removed it

  14. #29
    wr eller is offline Cadillac Owners Member
    Automobile(s): Cadillac
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    6

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    Found problem !!
    There is a "Starter Relay" which I changed (no help or change) and, there is an Ignition "IGN1" relay - which, when I replaced - started right up. Been working ever since. Well, I now know how to:

    Change fuel line, Remove intake plenum, replace starter, change relays !!

    Thanks for all the help!!

  15. #30
    Avaya is offline Cadillac Owners Fanatic
    Automobile(s): 2001 Deville DTS
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    111

    Re: Starter Replacement - It's not as bad as everyone thinks!

    I replaced my starter last week.
    I think I shot my brand new starter because of a Hydrolock, so I'm going back in this week.

    It is pretty easy, but the only hitch I had was physically removing the intake manifold. ALLDATA says to lift on the front (passenger) side and then pull out of Plenum. My problem is, it doesn't just lift up, it catches on the power steering pump, I damn near have to pry it out. Anyone else have this? How did you get just a little more clearance?

    Thanks,

Quick Reply Quick Reply

Register Now

Please enter the name by which you would like to log-in and be known on this site.
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.

Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Bookmarks

Cadillac Posting Rules

  • You may post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Read about Lincoln | Buick | Kia Forte Forum
Need products for your Cadillac? Check out your options at the links below:

custom floor mats | Cadillac Chrome and Black Chrome Wheels | window tinting