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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    Well I've busted 2 motor mounts so far with my 94 eldo, much less of a problem than the 2000+ type of motor mount. However, what I'm planning on doing when I replace it again is to put a couple of large hose clamps around the new one (Easier to do with the older style because of it having 4 studs rather than 2).

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    I'm not sure a hose clamp will withstand that pressure.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    Like anything, someone has to try that idea to see how it works. The hose clamp idea is only feasible for the pre-2000 models, which have a square-shaped front mount. The 2000+'s circular mount with very little flat surface area to attach a clamp would just cause any type of clamp to slip off.

    The thing is, I think that a hose clamp (with pretty sharp metal edges to it) might backfire on you and actually cut into the rubber, causing the mount to break quicker.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    I think where Ranger is going is that a hose clamp or two is nowhere near strong enough to handle the torque loads, for one thing............

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    That is exactly where I was going. I can just imaging that clamp being torn loose at the screw joint at the first WOT. I just don't think it has the structural integrity to do the job. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    I still can't believe Cadillac didn't put dog bones on cars putting this much power to the wheels. They realized this with the '06+DTS which goes back to the older design with dog bones. Those cars are a whole lot smoother when shifting and barely have any motor movement.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    Quote Originally Posted by ibm4mad View Post
    Like anything, someone has to try that idea to see how it works. The hose clamp idea is only feasible for the pre-2000 models, which have a square-shaped front mount. The 2000+'s circular mount with very little flat surface area to attach a clamp would just cause any type of clamp to slip off.

    The thing is, I think that a hose clamp (with pretty sharp metal edges to it) might backfire on you and actually cut into the rubber, causing the mount to break quicker.
    As a previous poster showed in his diagrams, I think the best way is to wrap around the cradle and the steel BRACKET, not the MOUNT itself. Steel stranded cable should be able to handle the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tateos View Post
    As a previous poster showed in his diagrams, I think the best way is to wrap around the cradle and the steel BRACKET, not the MOUNT itself. Steel stranded cable should be able to handle the job.
    I think he was referring to what I had mentioned about wrapping a couple of hose clamps around my motor mount, which is the older style. I think he's probably right about it cutting into the mount if I did that. I would have to think of a way around that. I'm a perfectionist, and the cable thing would definitely not be perfection in my opinion. It has to function properly and be aesthetically pleasing. I don't want to put my car on the hoist and have my fellow mechanics say "WTF is that???" lol

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    Krashed, Hie thee on down to your local sailboat rigging shop, take a look at some of the s/s wire rope work, and tell me that it's anything but efficient and good-looking (plus being hellishly strong).

    Wire rope (aircraft control cable) and chain have been used for just what this thread is all about since before I was born.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    Quote Originally Posted by Krashed989 View Post
    I think he was referring to what I had mentioned about wrapping a couple of hose clamps around my motor mount, which is the older style. I think he's probably right about it cutting into the mount if I did that. I would have to think of a way around that. I'm a perfectionist, and the cable thing would definitely not be perfection in my opinion. It has to function properly and be aesthetically pleasing. I don't want to put my car on the hoist and have my fellow mechanics say "WTF is that???" lol
    My torque struts fill both bills Krashed. Maybe I'm partial, but they are easy to make, easy on the eye, and quite functional. Ask anyone who was at the Chicago meet. We did a side by side evaluation with a 2000 RPM brake torque with my car and gdwriters. The difference in engine movement was amazing. Mine was basically nonexistent.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    ..................and I went right by the fact that Ranger's torque strut idea is the best of all fixes. I'll be there this Fall..........all-thread, L-brackets and all.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    I'm still a little new to N* game so I'm a little confused on this engine mount deal.

    So are 2006+ like mine:



    Problem free? I only see that one on the left.

    However on 2000-2005 Devilles I don't see any upper mounts.

    My Eldorado has these:



    Both of the arm's bushings are shot. And I'm quite sure they need to be replaced.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    On the Eldo, you replace the entire strut, not just the bushings, very cheap at Rock Auto - I think maybe less than $20

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    GM quit using the torque struts around '98 or '99. I think they went back to them in '05 or '06. Not sure why, but it was not a good idea. That's why I fabricated a set.

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    re: Fabricated Torque Strut for the 2000+ Northstar

    GM first quit using the dogbones on the 5th Generation 1998 Seville. I'm sure this was to save costs over the previous generation. Then the Deville followed suit in 2000 when it switched over to the Seville's G-body based K platform and it stayed like that until 2006 when GM switched over to the DTS name and went back to the old dogbones. The Eldorado always had dogbones, even after the 2000 revision that went to COP ignition. I wonder though did any G-bodies use dogbones? The G-body platform included the Aurora, and was the basis for the '98+ Seville and '00-'05 Deville though both of those use the designation K-body.

    It also makes me wonder if the elimination of dogbones led to quite a few of the suspension problems these cars suffered from. I'm sure it didn't help, but then again I don't think it caused it because a few of the '06+ DTS's i've driven still shake.

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