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Community Lounge, Introductions and General Discussion Discussion, Sal v. Cadillac? in General Discussion; Originally Posted by Destroyer So tell us, how many 500hp Cadillacs were on the roads?. Hold up, I'll tell ya..........none. ...
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    Re: Sal v. Cadillac?

    Quote Originally Posted by Destroyer View Post
    So tell us, how many 500hp Cadillacs were on the roads?. Hold up, I'll tell ya..........none.
    The point I was wanting to make is Cadillac was basically the only game in town for affordable luxury.Point is,there are some amazing cars on the roads today.How can GM ever get it's shit together?Where is American technology?Americans are assemblers today, not innovators.And Sal,theres nothing cooler than a mint condition caddie rolling down the road.The caddies I love are the land yachts and they will never be duplicated.In a few years with a growing world market buyers won't buy brands just styling preferences and equipment packages,Oh,IMO

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    I agree 100% with what Sal is saying. If you think Cadillac is beyond Lexus or Mercedes then your only fooling yourself. After driving my grandfathers 2005 GS430 I can say that it is by far a much superior/solid car then any Cadillac I have ever driven. The CTS compared to the IS350 interior wise is not even close! If you like solid black or whatever interior color you choose in plastic then the CTS is the car for you. Cadillac cannot base itself on "performance" because performance alone doesn't sell. Look at the Lexus LS. it has 285 hp or something like that! But the car sells just fine and I have never heard an LS owners complain about their car. And after checking one out at the NYC International Auto Show Cadillac doesn't have anything that comes to fit/finish/class. So you can have fun with the innovative Cadillac CTS-V with a Corvette engine and think its genious when its just a heavier Corvette and nothing else. If it wasn't for the hip-hop/rap scene god only knows where Cadillac would be at today since that scene made it popular again to own a Cadillac (well just Escalade's) again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackout View Post
    The CTS compared to the IS350 interior wise is not even close!

    Cadillac cannot base itself on "performance" because performance alone doesn't sell. Look at the Lexus LS. it has 285 hp or something like that! But the car sells just fine and I have never heard an LS owners complain about their car. And after checking one out at the NYC International Auto Show Cadillac doesn't have anything that comes to fit/finish/class. So you can have fun with the innovative Cadillac CTS-V with a Corvette engine and think its genious when its just a heavier Corvette and nothing else. If it wasn't for the hip-hop/rap scene god only knows where Cadillac would be at today since that scene made it popular again to own a Cadillac (well just Escalade's) again.
    Performance DOES sell. Look at BMW. They have, for years, sold cars with lesser interiors (compared to MB, Lexus) but made up for it with outstanding handling, control, and feedback. Nissan's renaissance was a direct result of selling muscular-looking, fast cars. They decided to sell character, and it paid off tremendously.

    I fully agree with you on the CTS interior. Its a bit dreary, and the door panels are just plain cheap. It needs a LOT of work.

    There's a segment of the population that knows nothing about cars, and would prefer to have them in the back of their mind, tucked away in their garages and ignored entirely except during daily commutes. These people buy LS430s, Camrys, Malibus, etc. All fairly reliable, all fairly well built, and all pretty damn depressing to drive.

    There's a big market for those kinds of people. They shop at Banana Republic, listen to Celine Dion, and drink $5 lattes. I thank God that I'm not one of them. I'm glad Cadillac isn't pursuing them either.

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    Blackout,Cad has done well IMO jumping into the performance scene.My car is a four door 440 rwhp grocery getter that gets all kinds of looks.The ctsv is much more than a vette IMO.Your last sentence is not even close,but close to a racial slur IMO.

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    Re: Sal v. Cadillac?

    Quote Originally Posted by rp64ctsv View Post
    BYour last sentence is not even close,but close to a racial slur IMO.
    LOL, I think he's far far far away from making a racial slur. Eminem is part of that hip hop scene, isnt he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesda View Post
    LOL, I think he's far far far away from making a racial slur. Eminem is part of that hip hop scene, isnt he?
    I believe caddie has and always will have a mystique about them.M&M,are you serious,here I go,jumping up on my soap box.M&M=bad man,I hate my kid listening to those lyrics but I keep my mouth shut as i should.I just feel Escalades are cool suvs driven by discriminating adults who can afford them and not just hip hopping,rappers who with the exception of 1 are black?

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    Re: Sal v. Cadillac?

    What's with all the muckraking around here? Why have we turned on our founder?

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    Re: Sal v. Cadillac?

    Quote Originally Posted by DopeStar 156 View Post
    What's with all the muckraking around here? Why have we turned on our founder?
    Nobodys turning on Sal,LOL I think we're discussing where cadillac stands in the world market,at least thats what i'm going for.

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    Re: Sal v. Cadillac?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackout View Post
    I agree 100% with what Sal is saying. If you think Cadillac is beyond Lexus or Mercedes then your only fooling yourself. After driving my grandfathers 2005 GS430 I can say that it is by far a much superior/solid car then any Cadillac I have ever driven. The CTS compared to the IS350 interior wise is not even close! If you like solid black or whatever interior color you choose in plastic then the CTS is the car for you. Cadillac cannot base itself on "performance" because performance alone doesn't sell. Look at the Lexus LS. it has 285 hp or something like that! But the car sells just fine and I have never heard an LS owners complain about their car. And after checking one out at the NYC International Auto Show Cadillac doesn't have anything that comes to fit/finish/class. So you can have fun with the innovative Cadillac CTS-V with a Corvette engine and think its genious when its just a heavier Corvette and nothing else. If it wasn't for the hip-hop/rap scene god only knows where Cadillac would be at today since that scene made it popular again to own a Cadillac (well just Escalade's) again.
    And while Audi-buttraped clowns like toysnot go on and on about interior quality, we have a continually growing forum of guys that love driving and enjoying their Vs to the point of obsession. I'd like to see ANY Lexus owner group become like us. They make high quality cars with a low excitement quotient. Unless you're young ricer graduates who dream of dropping in a Gen IV Supra motor into their IS, there is nothing.

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    Re: Sal v. Cadillac?

    Oh, and another thing... If all we have is a 4 door Vette, where are the Vette brakes? Where's the Vette chassis? The V may not break any technological barriers, but the combination of handling, braking and power make it damn near perfect on the road course. It makes any Ford(except a SHO) look like a worthless piece of dung(I added that for theatrical effect) .So watch where you decide to sling your mud.

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    Re: Sal v. Cadillac?

    Perofmrnce does sell yes.
    But I hope Cadillac don't go down the road of giving every car in their range rock hard seats and firm suspension. I hate BMWs. I've owner them (as company vehicles) and I would never buyt one. Ignoring the main issue, which is the shockingly bad reliability, they are downright uncomfortable. A big luxury saloon should be cosseting, they are not. On an M5 I can understand that, but not on the non performance models. The UK press have a habit of only liking a car that handles and ignore the ride (well, they say it has a slightly over firm ride but it's not uncomfortable. Wake up call: Yes it is uncomfortbale).


    A lot of people are raising Cadillacs reliability. Well, Caddy never sold many over here but from what I know they're not that bad. There's around 500-600 late model Caddy's over here and I have spoken to every single American Car specialist and only 1 has ever had its headgaskets replaced. The electricals are FAR more reliable than BMWs and the engines seem about the same (at worst). I think people on here focus on teh Northstar issues to much. If you had a BMW you'd be in a world of trouble reliability wise. 12 years ago BMW were fine, since then they've gone downhill big time.

    The cars don't handle well at all, the spring rate is far too soft and the steering too lifeless. However, they are FAR more comfortable because of this so I'd say the score was a tie.

    They are far better specced and I think gadget wise they are far more inovative than their German counterparts.
    If you want handling then a manual German saloon is the way to go. If you don't care about handling and want to be transported as comfortably as possible between 2 places, then the Caddy is the way to go.

    As for Lexus, I think they're boring to look at, the interiors are uninspiring and don't look any more upmarket than Caddy (I'd say they look downmarket actually) and they're not a drivers car either. Maybe they're very reliable (I don't know) but that's about it.


    My car needs heritage, style, character and it needs to have been designed to do the taks I want it do do. I think Cadillac fit the bill perfectly. Several of my friends and family HATE american cars. They just do. But they all love my Cadillac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesda View Post
    There's a segment of the population that knows nothing about cars, and would prefer to have them in the back of their mind, tucked away in their garages and ignored entirely except during daily commutes. These people buy LS430s, Camrys, Malibus, etc. All fairly reliable, all fairly well built, and all pretty damn depressing to drive.

    There's a big market for those kinds of people. They shop at Banana Republic, listen to Celine Dion, and drink $5 lattes. I thank God that I'm not one of them. I'm glad Cadillac isn't pursuing them either.
    I think the segment you're describing here is the largest segment of automobile owners. I don't know why you keep saying that LS430s (and even Camrys) are "fairly" reliable and "fairly" well built. Again, I know you have some sort of hate for Toyota, or at least Lexus, but it seems a little extreme to me... Banana Republic, Celine Dion and $5 Lattes.. You really need to stop. I suppose that's me because I like "boring" cars? Give me a break.

    Again, forget I said anything about the Lexus LS. I'm sorry I ever brought it up. Woe is me for comparing the LS to the S-Class. And I'm very sorry for somehow personally offending you with all of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DopeStar 156 View Post
    What's with all the muckraking around here? Why have we turned on our founder?
    Apparently, I can't have a personal opinion without being ridiculed for it.
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    Re: Sal v. Cadillac?

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    I'm sorry I ever brought it up. Woe is me for comparing the LS to the S-Class. And I'm very sorry for somehow personally offending you with all of this.
    Its not a personal matter. Its a discussion of varying automotive tastes. I'm not offended by your opinion. I'm annoyed by the assertion that something blandly adequate for the masses is equally sufficient for auto enthusiasts.

    The general public can have their dreary appliances. I'm a living, breathing man with two testicles and an appetite for red meat -- I want more than that! I cant settle for what the unwashed masses call "great", as their standards for everything else are so terribly low. Big Macs are big sellers. I prefer Indian and Thai.

    Driving is an activity where the driver -should- be involved and can interface with the vehicle in a full and sensuous manner. I cant imagine having a sedan without a little sport in it, whether it comes in the form of massive torque or on-rail handling. I'm not dead yet, and have no intention of acting like a corpse in my day to day activities.

    Jean Jennings, Editor in Chief of Automobile Magazine, says as a personal mantra, "NO BORING CARS!" This is the doctrine that all auto enthusiasts should live by.

    Sure, Lexus makes a good car, but who the hell cares? Grandma?

    My heart still beats. Passion over perfection, please.

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    First... Holy crap! Don't you ever sleep? Now let me read your reply...
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