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    frozen water line...

    got home late last night and discovered that water line inside the house froze.
    i set the furnace thermostat to about 16C since nobody was in the house before leaving for work...turns out that wasn't warm enough!

    goddamn builder attached the line to the wood base plate which sits on top of the foundation wall and under the floor joists - and of course at that place there is no insulation....just tentest sheathing, air space and then brick veneer.
    had the builder been there, I would have have shot him dead, the idiot!

    thawed it out with a hair dryer, and thank God, there are no leaks.


    I hate this winter; it's just too damn cold.

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    Re: frozen water line...

    Quote Originally Posted by HR-cts View Post
    got home late last night and discovered that water line inside the house froze.
    i set the furnace thermostat to about 16C since nobody was in the house before leaving for work...turns out that wasn't warm enough!

    goddamn builder attached the line to the wood base plate which sits on top of the foundation wall and under the floor joists - and of course at that place there is no insulation....just tentest sheathing, air space and then brick veneer.
    had the builder been there, I would have have shot him dead, the idiot!

    thawed it out with a hair dryer, and thank God, there are no leaks.


    I hate this winter; it's just too damn cold.
    They did that crap at my house too, built 1979. Thankfully I installed pipe wrap a few years ago through out the basement.

    KOT

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    Re: frozen water line...

    My folks built my house in 1949 and I've never frozen a pipe even in -66F weather.
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    Re: frozen water line...

    ^Same here.

    The only problem that we ever had was during construction of the North wing of the house, before there was any insulation put in. Some of that wing did not share the main basement and instead had a smaller one with a ground-level entryway (About ten feet of it) and was raised up eleven feet off of the ground (building on a mountainside, that happens, as the ground goes down, but each floor of the building remains level.

    The pipes leading there froze (no damage to anything) and we solved this prior to completion of the structure by leaving the faucet in the far bathroom there EVER SO SLIGHTLY turned on. It kept the water moving well enough to prevent it from freezing.

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    Re: frozen water line...

    Time for moving a water line or some heat tape so you don't ever have to worry about it again.
    We were laying in bed one night way back when we lived in the north with closet doors open because the water lines ran in there and whammo one froze and broke spraying water everywhere. I had moved the water lines from under the house because they froze the previous year into the nice warm closet but put against outside wall... We moved before the next winter.

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    Re: frozen water line...

    My house was built in 1920. What is this insulation you speak of??

    Actually, we had it blown into the walls and I filled the attic right after we moved in! It's hard to imagine how people lived back them without insulation, no A/C, and the old gravity heat beasts in the basement. At least they had electricity and indoor plumbing!

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    Re: frozen water line...

    I recommend moving the line away from there and stuffing insulation up in there or heat tape. why you would put a water pipe in that space is beyond me.....its not exactly easy to access.

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    Re: frozen water line...

    ^^^^ Let's face back then it probably somewhat beat a sod hut or a covered wagon!

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    Re: frozen water line...

    Quote Originally Posted by cadillac kevin View Post
    I recommend moving the line away from there and stuffing insulation up in there or heat tape. why you would put a water pipe in that space is beyond me.....its not exactly easy to access.
    will move the line.

    but, to do that, i have rip-out the drywall ceiling and part of the drywall over the foundation wall firstly to get at the pipe, then re-drywall over it once it's moved more towards the centre of the house.

    heat tracing works fine if there is power, but if the power is off, you're screwd - and the power goes off, usually, during ice storms when it's cold!

    believe it or not, there is some glass fibre batt over the pipe, but its facing the inside of the house, whereas the pipe is on the exterior side...in other words, the insulation is protecting the pipe against warm air of the house!!!!

    dumb, dumb, dumb!

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    Re: frozen water line...

    PEX is your friend. Routing it may be easier than copper. It also expands more than copper

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    When I read the part about you having to remove the drywall and what not. I wanted to ask if the vapor barrier and what not is on what side of the pipe. But when you said that the pipe is on the outside if the batting, then I got my answer. Lol

    So yes, best advice is to move it more inside the house. And PEX is your friend.

    I also have electrical wires running on the foundation near my water pipes too. Just being next/near each isn't a problem. However, when it's placed on a ledge that rodents can walk on. Then you'll have problems. I had a lot of wiring chewed up because of the wires ok the foundation.

    So when you are up there, check your electrical wires too.

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    Re: frozen water line...

    Quote Originally Posted by EcSTSatic View Post
    My house was built in 1920. What is this insulation you speak of??
    That would make you the owner of the newest home, in my town.

    Mind you, we never needed A/C, as in the summer, it never gets warm enough to justify it. We had three fireplaces, though.

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    Re: frozen water line...

    Quote Originally Posted by EcSTSatic View Post
    PEX is your friend. Routing it may be easier than copper. It also expands more than copper
    +1.

    When I had an under slab leak in a copper pipe, I decided to eliminate all under slab pipes. I went ahead and replaced all the copper in the house with PEX. I had it done but it was clearly easier to do and less destructive to the drywall. You can snake long runs with just a few access holes. I don't know how freeze damage proof it is but logic says it would be less so since it can expand. That's how connections are made, by expanding the PEX and letting it close back down around the fittings. I don't know how much but it has to save on hot water to locations far from the heater since it doesn't conduct heat from the water like copper does. Plus nobody will rip your house apart to steal the water pipes when you are gone or rent to the wrong people. LoL

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